Concealing the name of God

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[FONT=&quot]Concealing the name of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Concealing the name of God was not only a custom, it was also made a law.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The sages quoted, "This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex. iii. 15). Here the word "le-'olam" (forever) is written defectively, being without the "waw" for the vowel "o," which renders the reading "le-'allem" (to conceal; Ḳid. 71a).[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanh. xi. 1). [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 AD to 70 AD.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Abba Saul (2d cent.) condemned the profanation of the Tetragrammaton by classing those "that speak the Name according to its letters," with those who have no part in the future world (Sanh. x. 1); and according to 'Ab. Zarah 17b, one of the martyrs of Hadrian's time, Hananiah b. Teradion, was burned at the stake because he so uttered the Name. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The view that prayer is more effectual if the name of God is pronounced in it as it is written caused the scholars of Kairwan to address a question in the eleventh century to Hai Gaon with reference to the pronunciation of the Shem ha-Meforash, to which he answered that it might not be uttered at all outside the Holy Land (Hai Gaon, "Ṭa'am Zeḳenim," p. 55; see Löw, "Gesammelte Schriften," i. 204).[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Thirteen theophoric names with "Yeho" have corresponding forms where the letters eh have been omitted. There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg that this is due to Hebrew scribes omitting the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ‎) into Jo (יוֹ‎), to make the start of "Yeho-" names not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Theophoric Names:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophoric_name[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Praise, Exalt, and Proclaim His Name[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Exodus 34:5[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Then Yahwah came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, Yahwah.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Chronicles 16:8[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; make known among the nations what he has done.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 34:3[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Glorify Yahwah with me; let us exalt his name together.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 68:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sing to God, sing in praise of his name, extol him who rides on the clouds; rejoice before him—his name is Yahwah.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 96:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sing to Yahwah, praise his name[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; proclaim his salvation day after day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 105:1[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] make known among the nations what he has done.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Psalm 148:13[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Let them praise the name of Yahwah, for his name alone is exalted; his splendor is above the earth and the heavens.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Isaiah 12:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In that day you will say: “Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Isaiah 47:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Our Redeemer—Yahwah of Host is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Isaiah 52:6[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Therefore my people will know my name[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Malachi 2:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says Yahwah of Host, “I will send a curse on you[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Last Days.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Zechariah 13:9[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Yahwah is our God.’”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Exodus 6:3[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty[/FONT][FONT=&quot], but by my name Yahwah I did not make myself fully known to them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yahwah
A note on the words hawah and hayah.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]


Quote from pages 217 and 218 of the Brown-Driver-Briggs. Ref # 3068-69 on page 217.
Brown-Driver-Briggs on page 218 states that, "Many recent scholars explain [/FONT][FONT=&quot]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=&quot]‎ as Hiph. of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]הוה[/FONT][FONT=&quot] equals [/FONT][FONT=&quot]היה[/FONT][FONT=&quot] "

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]הוה[/FONT][FONT=&quot] hawah / HWH is hawah.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]היה[/FONT][FONT=&quot] hayah / HYH is hayah.


Note that the vowels are all " a."
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Yahwah[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]The vowels are "a" in the Brown-Driver-Briggs, the NIV Exhaustive Concordance, and the Strong's Exhaustive Concordances.[/FONT]
The name Yahwah is from the Aramaic, not the Hebrew.
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Did you noticed that those who call upon the name Yahwah are His People? And those who do not call upon His name Yahwah are cursed.
 
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Hebrew Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance)
Key Word Studies (Translations-Definitions-Meanings)
» H5956 «


#5956 עָלַם `alam {aw-lam'}

a primitive root; TWOT - 1629; v

—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)


1) to conceal, hide, be hidden, be concealed, be secret
1a) (Qal) secret (participle)
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be concealed
1b2) concealed, dissembler (participle)
1c) (Hiphil) to conceal, hide
1d) (Hithpael) to hide oneself

—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to veil from sight, that is, conceal (literally or figuratively):— X any ways, blind, dissembler, hide (self), secret (thing).
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

#5956.
עָלַם
alam (761a); a prim. root; to conceal:—
NASB - blind(1), disregard*(1), escapes(1), ever(1), hidden(10), hide(6), hides(1), melts(1), neglect(1), pay no attention(2), pretenders(1), secret(1), shuts(1).
 
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Jeremiah 23:27.
Through their dreams that they tell one another, they make plans to cause My people to forget My name as their fathers forgot My name through Baal worship.


My translation
Through their imaginings that they tell each other, they made plans to cause my people to forget my name, like their forefathers forgot my name through Baal worship.
 
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[FONT=&quot]Psalm 14:4
Will evildoers never learn— those who devour my people as men eat bread and who do not call on Yahwah ?

Psalm 79:6
Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the kingdoms that do not call on your name;

Jeremiah 10:25
Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the peoples who do not call on your name. For they have devoured Jacob; they have devoured him completely and destroyed his homeland.[/FONT]
 
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Jesus: The English form "Jesus" was not seen nor spoken until AFTER the year 1525...
when Sir William Tyndale -A Protestant Reformer from Oxford, England - INVENTED IT!
 
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You guys worry me. I try to talk to you about things of importance, and I get no feed back. Not even one "like" for post #1.
 
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During the Babylonian captivity the Hebrew language spoken by the Jews was replaced by the Aramaic language of their Babylonian captors. Aramaic was closely related to Hebrew, and while sharing many vocabulary words in common, they contained some words that sounded the same or similar but had other meanings.
In Aramaic, the Hebrew word for “blaspheme” used in Leviticus 24:16, “Anyone who blasphemes the name of Yahwah must be put to death” began to be interpreted as “pronounce” rather than “blaspheme”. When the Jews began speaking Aramaic, this verse was misunderstood to mean, “Anyone who pronounces the name of Yahwah must be put to death.” Since then observant Jews have maintained the custom of not pronouncing the name. This also lead to some believing that God's name is not pronounceable.
 
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Some Biblical theophoric names end in ia(h) or yah as shortened forms of Yahwah: That points to the vowels being "a".
 
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So what is your point? It has already been mentioned that Jehovah wanted his name to be used throughout the generations (Exodus 3:15), so isn't that clear enough to help us to realize that he would not be in agreement with the rules of MEN prohibiting the utterance of his name? There is nowhere in the Scriptures that even imply this.

Jesus said that he made his Father's name known and would continue to do so (John 17:6,26). There is no viable reason to avoid the use of God's name.
 
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KingdomRose said:
So what is your point? It has already been mentioned that Jehovah wanted his name to be used throughout the generations (Exodus 3:15), so isn't that clear enough to help us to realize that he would not be in agreement with the rules of MEN prohibiting the utterance of his name? There is nowhere in the Scriptures that even imply this.

Jesus said that he made his Father's name known and would continue to do so (John 17:6,26). There is no viable reason to avoid the use of God's name.
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The point is that there is no one by the name of Jehovah.
 
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CherubRam said:
[FONT="]Concealing the name of God[/FONT][/B][FONT="][/FONT]

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[FONT="]Concealing the name of God was not only a custom, it was also made a law.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The sages quoted, "This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex. iii. 15). Here the word "le-'olam" (forever) is written defectively, being without the "waw" for the vowel "o," which renders the reading "le-'allem" (to conceal; Ḳid. 71a).[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanh. xi. 1). [/FONT]
[B][FONT="]30 AD to 70 AD.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Abba Saul (2d cent.) condemned the profanation of the Tetragrammaton by classing those "that speak the Name according to its letters," with those who have no part in the future world (Sanh. x. 1); and according to 'Ab. Zarah 17b, one of the martyrs of Hadrian's time, Hananiah b. Teradion, was burned at the stake because he so uttered the Name. [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The view that prayer is more effectual if the name of God is pronounced in it as it is written caused the scholars of Kairwan to address a question in the eleventh century to Hai Gaon with reference to the pronunciation of the Shem ha-Meforash, to which he answered that it might not be uttered at all outside the Holy Land (Hai Gaon, "Ṭa'am Zeḳenim," p. 55; see Löw, "Gesammelte Schriften," i. 204).[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."[/FONT]
[FONT="][B] [/B][/FONT]
[FONT="]Thirteen theophoric names with "Yeho" have corresponding forms where the letters eh have been omitted. There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg that this is due to Hebrew scribes omitting the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ‎) into Jo (יוֹ‎), to make the start of "Yeho-" names not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Theophoric Names:[/FONT][/B][FONT="] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophoric_name[/FONT]
[FONT="][B] [/B][/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Praise, Exalt, and Proclaim His Name[/FONT][/B]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Exodus 34:5[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Then [B]Yahwah[/B] came down in the cloud and stood there with him and [B]proclaim[/B][B]ed [B]his[/B] [B]name[/B], Yahwah.[/B][/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Chronicles+16:8&version=NIV"][FONT="]1 Chronicles 16:8[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Give praise to Yahwah, [B]proclaim[/B] [B]his[/B] [B]name[/B][/FONT][/B][FONT="]; make known among the nations what he has done.[/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+34:3&version=NIV"][FONT="]Psalm 34:3[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Glorify [B]Yahwah[/B] with me; let us [B]exalt[/B][B] [B]his[/B] name[/B] together.[/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+68:4&version=NIV"][FONT="]Psalm 68:4[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Sing to God, sing in [B]praise of his name[/B], extol him who rides on the clouds; rejoice before him—[B]his[/B][B] [B]name[/B] [B]is[/B] Yahwah.[/B][/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+96:2&version=NIV"][FONT="]Psalm 96:2[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Sing to Yahwah, praise [B]his[/B] [B]name[/B][/FONT][/B][FONT="]; proclaim his salvation day after day.[/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+105:1&version=NIV"][FONT="]Psalm 105:1[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Give praise to Yahwah, [B]proclaim[/B] [B]his[/B] [B]name[/B];[/FONT][/B][FONT="] make known among the nations what he has done.[/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+148:13&version=NIV"][FONT="]Psalm 148:13[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Let them [B]praise the name of Yahwah[/B], for his name alone is exalted; his splendor is above the earth and the heavens.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+12:4&version=NIV"][FONT="]Isaiah 12:4[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]In that day you will say: “[B]Give praise to Yahwah, [B]proclaim[/B] [B]his[/B] [B]name[/B][/B]; make known among the nations what he has done, and [B]proclaim[/B] that [B]his[/B] [B]name[/B] is exalted.[/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+47:4&version=NIV"][FONT="]Isaiah 47:4[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Our Redeemer—[B]Yahwah of Host is his name[/B]— is the Holy One of Israel.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+52:6&version=NIV"][FONT="]Isaiah 52:6[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Therefore my people will [B]know[/B] [B]my[/B] [B]name[/B][/FONT][/B][FONT="]; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.”[/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+2:2&version=NIV"][FONT="]Malachi 2:2[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to [B]honor[/B] [B]my[/B] [B]name[/B],” says Yahwah of Host, “I will send a curse on you[/FONT][/B][FONT="], and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Last Days.[/FONT][/B]
[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+13:9&version=NIV"][FONT="]Zechariah 13:9[/FONT][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will [B]call[/B] [B]on[/B] [B]my[/B] [B]name[/B] and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ [B]and they will say, ‘Yahwah is our God.’”[/B][/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="][B] [/B][/FONT]
[B][FONT="]Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.[/FONT][FONT="]
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “[COLOR=red]The Living that Lives[/COLOR]. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: [COLOR=red]'The Living[/COLOR] has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, '[COLOR=red]Yahwah[/COLOR], the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' [B]That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”[/B][/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="][B] [/B][/FONT]
[B][FONT="]Exodus 6:3[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][B][FONT="]I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty[/FONT][FONT="][B], but by my name [B]Yahwah[/B] I did not make myself fully known to them.[/B][/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="][B] [/B][/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Yahwah
A note on the words hawah and hayah.[/FONT][/B][FONT="]


Quote from pages 217 and 218 of the Brown-Driver-Briggs. Ref # 3068-69 on page 217.
Brown-Driver-Briggs on page 218 states that, "Many recent scholars explain [/FONT][FONT="]יהוה[/FONT][FONT="]‎ as Hiph. of [/FONT][FONT="]הוה[/FONT][FONT="] equals [/FONT][FONT="]היה[/FONT][FONT="] "

[/FONT][FONT="]הוה[/FONT][FONT="] hawah / HWH is hawah.
[/FONT][FONT="]היה[/FONT][FONT="] hayah / HYH is hayah.


Note that the vowels are all " a."
[/FONT][FONT="]יהוה[/FONT][FONT="] Yahwah[/FONT]


[FONT="]The vowels are "a" in the Brown-Driver-Briggs, the NIV Exhaustive Concordance, and the Strong's Exhaustive Concordances.[/FONT]
The name Yahwah is from the Aramaic, not the Hebrew.
[FONT="] [/FONT]
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I enjoyed reading your conclusions. I agree that God Almighty certainly revealed his chosen name. I believe that mankind began to conceal his name due to fear. I also believe that knowing his chosen name is very important to understanding who the Father and the Son are. Now, whether it is written in the Jewish language as YHWH or in King James English as LORD it still reveals the same truths about who the Father and Son are.

Several quotes for you:
Exodus 3:13-1
13 And Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;" and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' "What shall I say unto them?"
14 And God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:" and he said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham; the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me (Moses) unto you. This (The LORD God or YHWH of ... A, I, J) is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

IOW, LORD God or YHWH is God chosen name.

Then God says to Isaiah:
Isaiah 42:8 I AM the LORD/YHWH: that is my name and my glory will I not give to anotehr, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am The LORD; and beside ME there is no savior.
My interpretation: I (The LORD God of A,I,J), am The LORD; and beside ME (as The LORD of...)there is no savior.

My conclusions are drawn after reading what Jesus said about himself:
John 13:13
Ye (my disciples) call me (Jesus) Master and Lord: and ye say well, for so I AM.



My conclusions:
I believed the name Lord had become trivialized over generations to mean a person in some sort of authority position and this was probably used by the disciples in that way; yet, I believe that Jesus understood that it was originally The Chosen Name of God. With his full knowledge Jesus said they were right to call him LORD

Now, if The LORD God Almighty professed in the OT to be the only Savior ... and that his chosen name is LORD/YHWY, and if Jesus then professed in the NT that he also Lord of his disciples, then I believe that our Lord Jesus was the LORD God come as the Savior. IOW ... equal.

Now, knowing about the name of God helps us begin to understand the trinity ... at least, the Father, who worked in times past, and the Savior Son Lord Jesus, who worked in his day.
John 5:17
My Father worketh hitherto (in the past), and I work (now).

John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
(IOW, the one God was ultimately seen by men as two personages, who were both The one Lord God.
 
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Ps82 said:
I enjoyed reading your conclusions. I agree that God Almighty certainly revealed his chosen name. I believe that mankind began to conceal his name due to fear. I also believe that knowing his chosen name is very important to understanding who the Father and the Son are. Now, whether it is written in the Jewish language as YHWH or in King James English as LORD it still reveals the same truths about who the Father and Son are.

Several quotes for you:
Exodus 3:13-1
13 And Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;" and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' "What shall I say unto them?"
14 And God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:" and he said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham; the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me (Moses) unto you. This (The LORD God or YHWH of ... A, I, J) is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

IOW, LORD God or YHWH is God chosen name.

Then God says to Isaiah:
Isaiah 42:8 I AM the LORD/YHWH: that is my name and my glory will I not give to anotehr, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am The LORD; and beside ME there is no savior.
My interpretation: I (The LORD God of A,I,J), am The LORD; and beside ME (as The LORD of...)there is no savior.

My conclusions are drawn after reading what Jesus said about himself:
John 13:13
Ye (my disciples) call me (Jesus) Master and Lord: and ye say well, for so I AM.



My conclusions:
I believed the name Lord had become trivialized over generations to mean a person in some sort of authority position and this was probably used by the disciples in that way; yet, I believe that Jesus understood that it was originally The Chosen Name of God. With his full knowledge Jesus said they were right to call him LORD

Now, if The LORD God Almighty professed in the OT to be the only Savior ... and that his chosen name is LORD/YHWY, and if Jesus then professed in the NT that he also Lord of his disciples, then I believe that our Lord Jesus was the LORD God come as the Savior. IOW ... equal.

Now, knowing about the name of God helps us begin to understand the trinity ... at least, the Father, who worked in times past, and the Savior Son Lord Jesus, who worked in his day.
John 5:17
My Father worketh hitherto (in the past), and I work (now).

John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
(IOW, the one God was ultimately seen by men as two personages, who were both The one Lord God.
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There is a difference between a personal name and a title. Orthodox Judaism has never believed that God is a Trinity. "Being one" means that there is unity, as in unit.
 
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