Calvinist Lies and Fairy Tales

[Robert Pate]

TOTAL DEPRAVITY: Man is a depraved sinner, but he is not so depraved that he cannot hear and believe the Gospel. To believe that God has blinded fallen man to the Gospel is to believe that God is unjust. Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" which is the Gospel, Romans 10:17. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard and believed the Gospel and were saved, some who had participated in the crucifixion of Christ. To say that fallen man cannot hear and believe the Gospel is a Calvinist lie.

UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION: The condition for salvation is that you must believe and have faith in God's Son Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as an unconditional election. Only those that have faith in Christ and his Gospel will be saved. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16. Unconditional election according to God's word is a lie.

LIMITED ATONEMENT: This is one of Calvinisms biggest lies and is directly refuted by scripture. The heart of the Gospel is that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 4:14. To say that he didn't, is the Spirit of ant-Christ. If Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world then Jesus is not Lord. If Jesus is not Lord then he should be removed from his position at the right hand of God as the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lord's" Revelation 19:16. If there was one sin that Jesus had not atoned for, God would not have accepted Jesus back into heaven.

IRRESISTIBLE GRACE: Means that when God calls the elect cannot resist. What does Paul say about this? "For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2 This scripture teaches that some hear the Gospel and believe, while others hear the Gospel and don't believe. It appears to me that... "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" which is the Gospel. Did God create brainless robots that cannot make choices? I think not.

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS: This teaches that as long as you are one of the elect you can go out and live like the devil and still be saved. After all, you are one of the elect. The believers salvation is secure because it is secured by the doing and the dying of Jesus and not because some heretic says that its secure. Jesus presence in heaven at the right hand of God means that the believer salvation is secure and cannot be lost. All that come to Christ as repentant sinner are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13 and are in Christ, Colossians 3:3. There is no unsealing of the Holy Spirit.

 

[beloved57]

TOTAL DEPRAVITY: Man is a depraved sinner, but he is not so depraved that he cannot hear and believe the Gospel. To believe that God has blinded fallen man to the Gospel is to believe that God is unjust. Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" which is the Gospel, Romans 10:17. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard and believed the Gospel and were saved, some who had participated in the crucifixion of Christ. To say that fallen man cannot hear and believe the Gospel is a Calvinist lie.

UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION: The condition for salvation is that you must believe and have faith in God's Son Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as an unconditional election. Only those that have faith in Christ and his Gospel will be saved. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16. Unconditional election according to God's word is a lie.

LIMITED ATONEMENT: This is one of Calvinisms biggest lies and is directly refuted by scripture. The heart of the Gospel is that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 4:14. To say that he didn't, is the Spirit of ant-Christ. If Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world then Jesus is not Lord. If Jesus is not Lord then he should be removed from his position at the right hand of God as the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lord's" Revelation 19:16. If there was one sin that Jesus had not atoned for, God would not have accepted Jesus back into heaven.

IRRESISTIBLE GRACE: Means that when God calls the elect cannot resist. What does Paul say about this? "For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2 This scripture teaches that some hear the Gospel and believe, while others hear the Gospel and don't believe. It appears to me that... "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" which is the Gospel. Did God create brainless robots that cannot make choices? I think not.

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS: This teaches that as long as you are one of the elect you can go out and live like the devil and still be saved. After all, you are one of the elect. The believers salvation is secure because it is secured by the doing and the dying of Jesus and not because some heretic says that its secure. Jesus presence in heaven at the right hand of God means that the believer salvation is secure and cannot be lost. All that come to Christ as repentant sinner are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13 and are in Christ, Colossians 3:3. There is no unsealing of the Holy Spirit.

Those in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8! That is total depravity right there.

 

[Robert Pate]

Those in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8! That is total depravity right there.

Those that are in the flesh are the lost. Like you, they either have not heard the Gospel or they do not believe the Gospel.

 

[beloved57]

Those that are in the flesh are the lost. Like you, they either have not heard the Gospel or they do not believe the Gospel.

So you dont believe the scripture when you don't believe in total depravity or inability!Rom 8:8

[FONT=&quot]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Everyone by nature is in the flesh pal ![/FONT]

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Robert Pate Confuses Doctrines of Grace

Robert Pate Confuses Doctrines of Grace

TOTAL DEPRAVITY:
UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION:
LIMITED ATONEMENT:
IRRESISTIBLE GRACE:
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS:

Robert, you suffer from an inability to understand Scripture, hence its teachings about the doctrines of grace. This is not unexpected, given your many bizarre views.

Let me help you out a wee bit. TULIP is an acrostic best described along these lines:

T = The Problem (Total Depravity) – Grace Needed
U = The Remedy (Unconditional Election) – Grace Conceived
L = The Means (Limited Atonement) – Grace Merited
I = The Application (Irresistible Grace) – Grace Applied
P = The Result (Perseverance of the Saints) – Grace Preserved

The Necessity of Grace ..Total depravity ..Salvation Required
The Fountain of Grace ..Unconditional election ..Salvation Planned
The Provision of Grace ..Particular redemption ..Salvation Purchased
The Revelation of Grace ..Effectual Calling ..Salvation Applied
The Victory of Grace ..Perseverance of the Saints ..Salvation Perfected

The teachings of Scripture are absolutely and unmistakably clear about the fundamental aspects of our salvation:

(1) sinners are utterly helpless to redeem themselves or to contribute anything meritorious toward their own salvation (Romans 8:7-8);
(2) God is sovereign in the exercise of His saving will (Ephesians 1:4-5);
(3) Jesus Christ's substitutionary death on behalf of His people bore the full weight of God's wrath on behalf of His people, and Jesus Christ's atoning work alone is efficacious for the salvation of His people (Isaiah 53:5);
(4) the saving purpose of God cannot be thwarted (John 6:37), thus none of Jesus Christ's true sheep will ever be lost (John 10:27-29), because
(5) the perseverance of Jesus Christ's elect are assured by God (Jude 24; Philemon 1:6; 1 Peter 1:5).

TOTAL DEPRAVITY (Radical Corruption) - "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? (Jer 17:9)

Man has a will and his will is in bondage to his nature. The will of man is free to choose according to the dictates of his nature, but it is not free to contradict his nature. From Adam's fall the nature of every man has been sinful. Therefore, every action of the unsaved man is sinful and rebellious; it is stained through and through by his sin nature. The unregenerate man cannot perform even one single righteous or pleasing work with respect to a holy God, for their actions are wrongly motivated, that is, not for the glory of God, and are but filthy rags in the eyes of God.

Spoiler

See: Genesis 6:5, Genesis 8:21, Jeremiah 17:9, Psalm 22:29, Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Psalm 130:3, Psalm 143:2, Proverbs 20:9, Job 14:4, Job 15:14-16, Ecclesiastes 7:20,29, Ecclesiastes 9:3, Isaiah 53:6, Isaiah 64:6-7, Jeremiah 13:23, Jeremiah 17:9, 2 Chronicles 6:36, Mark 7:21-23, John 3:3,19,44,65, Romans 3:9-18, Romans 5:6,12, Romans 5:18-19, Romans 6:16-20, Romans 7:18, 23-24, Romans 8:7-8, 1 Corinthians 2:14, Ephesians 2:1-5, Ephesians 4:18, 2 Timothy 2:26-26, 1 John 3:4, 1 John 3:10, 1 John 5:19, Titus 3:3,5

UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Sovereign Election) – “... though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls..” (Rom 9:11)

God’s election is truly unconditional. The foreknowledge of God is based upon His decree, plan, and purpose; it is the expression of His will and good pleasure, not a response to man's free-will choices. Election is the sovereign act of God the Father choosing specific individuals out from the entire body of condemned and fallen humanity. These individuals were chosen before the foundations of the universe and not as a result of any foreseen merit or activity or decision on their part. These chosen or elect individuals are purposed to become monuments to the Father's love for all of eternity. In this regard it is understood election is an example of God’s "love before time."

Spoiler

See: Deuteronomy 7:6-8, Deuteronomy 10:14-15, Lamentations 5:21, Isaiah 55:11, Amos 3:2, Jeremiah 1:5, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 24:22-24, Matthew 24:31, Luke 12:6-7, John 6:37-39, John 6:44, John 6:65, John 15:16, John 17:19, Acts 2:23, Acts 11:18, Acts 13:48, Acts 17:26, Acts 18:27, Romans 8:28-39, Romans 9:11-16, Romans 11:5, 1 Corinthians 1:26-31, 1 Corinthians 8:3, Ephesians 1:1-14, Ephesians 2:4-10, 1 Thessalonians 1:4-5, 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Philippians 1:29, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 Timothy 5:21, 2 Timothy 1:9-10, 2 Timothy 2:19, 2 Timothy 2:25, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 1 Peter 1:4-5, 1 Peter 1:20, 2 Peter 1:5-11

LIMITED ATONEMENT (Particular Redemption) - "...you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." (Matt 1:21)

In order to accomplish the specific will of the Father, Christ took to the Cross the sins of the elect. Christ died for the sins of men without distinction as to race or nationality (that is, Jew or Gentile) that no man can number. He provided a complete and effectual atonement for their sins. Those whom Christ redeemed, Christ really and truly redeemed (actual not potential). Though infinite in value, Christ's atoning work was specific in its design. Some prefer to call this "definite atonement" or "particular redemption". The death of Christ at Calvary does not make men savable, but rather it saves men completely. The Cross is a completed, successful work that requires no assistance from man. Christ died for all of the sins of the elect. Other views of the scope of the atonement must avoid the idea of all the sins lest these views proclaim a universal salvation. For, if Christ died for all of the sins of all men without exception, upon what basis would any man be denied heaven? Remember, unbelief is a sin and therefore a sin for which Christ died if He has truly died for all the sins of all men without exception.

Spoiler

See: Psalm 34:22, Isaiah 53:8, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 26:28, Luke 1:68, Luke 2:1-2, Luke 19:10, John 3:16 (the Father gave His Son for whom? - according to this verse the Son was given for whoever believes in Him (the believing ones) not for the ones not believing in Him), John 5:13, John 6:35-40, John 10:11, John 10:14 -18, John 10:24-29, John 12:32, John 17:1-11, John 17:20, John 17:24-26, Acts 20:28, Romans 5:8-10, Romans 5:18, Romans 8:32-34, Galatians 3:13, Ephesians 1:3-4, Ephesians 1:7, Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 2:15-16, Ephesians 5:25-27, Hebrews 2:9, Hebrews 2:17, Hebrews 3:1, Hebrews 9:12, Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 10:14, Colossians 1:21-22, 2 Corinthians 5:14-15, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, 1 Timothy 1:15, 2 Timothy 2:4-6, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 John 2:1-2, 1 John 4:14, Titus 2:14, Revelation 5:9.

IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Effectual Election) - "...those whom he called he also justified?" (Rom 8:30)

The Holy Spirit, in agreement with the electing will of the Father and the atoning work of the Son (ib pactum salutis[/i]), does in the fullness of time quicken the dead spirit of a man and give to him the gift of saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. The logical order of salvation is regeneration first, followed by faith/believing. Since dead men do not respond, God must make them alive first (Eph 2:4-5); regeneration, of necessity, precedes any action or activity on the part of man, including faith and repentance. Hence, every single individual upon whom the Spirit of God moves savingly is regenerated, born again, adopted, grafted in, and saved eternally. This saving grace is not coercion. Rather, by transforming the heart, this grace makes the believer wholly willing to trust and obey.

Spoiler

See: Deuteronomy 30:6, Isaiah 55:7, Ezekiel 11:19-20, Ezekiel 18:23, Ezekiel 36:26-27, John 1:12-13 but of God, John 1:12-13, John 3:3-8, John 5:21, John 5:24 - the perfect tense verb reads has already passed from death unto life, John 6:37-39, John 6:38, John 10:16, John 11:14-15, John 11:25, John 11:38-44 , John 17:2, Acts 2:38, Acts 5:31, Acts 11:18, Acts 13:48, Acts 16:14, Acts 17:30, Acts 18:27, Romans 8:8, Romans 8:28-30, Romans 8:32, Romans 9:16, Galatians 6:15, Ephesians 1:3, Ephesians 1:7, Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 2:1-10, Philippians 1:29, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 Corinthians 4:7, 1 Corinthians 6:11, 1 Corinthians 12:3, 2 Corinthians 3:6, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 2 Corinthians 5:17-18, Colossians 2:13, James 1:18, 2 Timothy 2:25, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 1:2-3, 1 Peter 1:23, 1 John 5:1 - a perfect tense verb used here and reads has already been born of God, 1 John 3:7, 1 John 5:4.

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS (The Preservation of The Saints) - "...those whom he justified he also glorified." (Rom 8:30)

Since God is the Author and Finisher of our faith, man cannot fall away from eternal salvation. Once a man has been born-again he cannot be unborn-again. Furthermore, the elect of God will definitely manifest evidences of their salvation by means of good works. The elect shall, by the grace of God and without exception, ultimately persevere in righteousness. The eternal security of the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is demonstrated by the persevering faith and righteousness wrought by the grace of God in His little begotten ones.

Spoiler

See: Isaiah 43:1-3, Jeremiah 32:40, John 3:16, John 3:36, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 6:47, John 6:51, John 10:27-30, John 11:25, John 14:21, John 15:1-11, John 17:12, John 17:15, Romans 8:29-30, Romans 8:35-39, Ephesians 1:5, Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 2:10 God's workmanship, Ephesians 4:30, Hebrews 5:11-6:12, Philippians 1:6, Philippians 2:12-13, Philippians 3:12-15, 1 Corinthians 1:8 , 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, 2 Timothy 1:12, 2 Timothy 4:18, 1 Peter 1:3-5, 1 Peter 1:23, 1 Peter 5:10, 2 Peter 2:10, 1 John 2:19, 1 John 2:25, 1 John 3:9, 1 John 5:13, 1 John 5:18, Jude 1:1, Jude 24-25.

AMR

 

[Robert Pate]

Robert, you suffer from an inability to understand Scripture, hence its teachings about the doctrines of grace. This is not unexpected, given your many bizarre views.

Let me help you out a wee bit. TULIP is an acrostic best described along these lines:

T = The Problem (Total Depravity) – Grace Needed
U = The Remedy (Unconditional Election) – Grace Conceived
L = The Means (Limited Atonement) – Grace Merited
I = The Application (Irresistible Grace) – Grace Applied
P = The Result (Perseverance of the Saints) – Grace Preserved

The Necessity of Grace ..Total depravity ..Salvation Required
The Fountain of Grace ..Unconditional election ..Salvation Planned
The Provision of Grace ..Particular redemption ..Salvation Purchased
The Revelation of Grace ..Effectual Calling ..Salvation Applied
The Victory of Grace ..Perseverance of the Saints ..Salvation Perfected

The teachings of Scripture are absolutely and unmistakably clear about the fundamental aspects of our salvation:

(1) sinners are utterly helpless to redeem themselves or to contribute anything meritorious toward their own salvation (Romans 8:7-8);
(2) God is sovereign in the exercise of His saving will (Ephesians 1:4-5);
(3) Jesus Christ's substitutionary death on behalf of His people bore the full weight of God's wrath on behalf of His people, and Jesus Christ's atoning work alone is efficacious for the salvation of His people (Isaiah 53:5);
(4) the saving purpose of God cannot be thwarted (John 6:37), thus none of Jesus Christ's true sheep will ever be lost (John 10:27-29), because
(5) the perseverance of Jesus Christ's elect are assured by God (Jude 24; Philemon 1:6; 1 Peter 1:5).

TOTAL DEPRAVITY (Radical Corruption) - "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? (Jer 17:9)

Man has a will and his will is in bondage to his nature. The will of man is free to choose according to the dictates of his nature, but it is not free to contradict his nature. From Adam's fall the nature of every man has been sinful. Therefore, every action of the unsaved man is sinful and rebellious; it is stained through and through by his sin nature. The unregenerate man cannot perform even one single righteous or pleasing work with respect to a holy God, for their actions are wrongly motivated, that is, not for the glory of God, and are but filthy rags in the eyes of God.

Spoiler

See: Genesis 6:5, Genesis 8:21, Jeremiah 17:9, Psalm 22:29, Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Psalm 130:3, Psalm 143:2, Proverbs 20:9, Job 14:4, Job 15:14-16, Ecclesiastes 7:20,29, Ecclesiastes 9:3, Isaiah 53:6, Isaiah 64:6-7, Jeremiah 13:23, Jeremiah 17:9, 2 Chronicles 6:36, Mark 7:21-23, John 3:3,19,44,65, Romans 3:9-18, Romans 5:6,12, Romans 5:18-19, Romans 6:16-20, Romans 7:18, 23-24, Romans 8:7-8, 1 Corinthians 2:14, Ephesians 2:1-5, Ephesians 4:18, 2 Timothy 2:26-26, 1 John 3:4, 1 John 3:10, 1 John 5:19, Titus 3:3,5

UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Sovereign Election) – “... though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls..” (Rom 9:11)

God’s election is truly unconditional. The foreknowledge of God is based upon His decree, plan, and purpose; it is the expression of His will and good pleasure, not a response to man's free-will choices. Election is the sovereign act of God the Father choosing specific individuals out from the entire body of condemned and fallen humanity. These individuals were chosen before the foundations of the universe and not as a result of any foreseen merit or activity or decision on their part. These chosen or elect individuals are purposed to become monuments to the Father's love for all of eternity. In this regard it is understood election is an example of God’s "love before time."

Spoiler

See: Deuteronomy 7:6-8, Deuteronomy 10:14-15, Lamentations 5:21, Isaiah 55:11, Amos 3:2, Jeremiah 1:5, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 24:22-24, Matthew 24:31, Luke 12:6-7, John 6:37-39, John 6:44, John 6:65, John 15:16, John 17:19, Acts 2:23, Acts 11:18, Acts 13:48, Acts 17:26, Acts 18:27, Romans 8:28-39, Romans 9:11-16, Romans 11:5, 1 Corinthians 1:26-31, 1 Corinthians 8:3, Ephesians 1:1-14, Ephesians 2:4-10, 1 Thessalonians 1:4-5, 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Philippians 1:29, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 Timothy 5:21, 2 Timothy 1:9-10, 2 Timothy 2:19, 2 Timothy 2:25, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 1 Peter 1:4-5, 1 Peter 1:20, 2 Peter 1:5-11

LIMITED ATONEMENT (Particular Redemption) - "...you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." (Matt 1:21)

In order to accomplish the specific will of the Father, Christ took to the Cross the sins of the elect. Christ died for the sins of men without distinction as to race or nationality (that is, Jew or Gentile) that no man can number. He provided a complete and effectual atonement for their sins. Those whom Christ redeemed, Christ really and truly redeemed (actual not potential). Though infinite in value, Christ's atoning work was specific in its design. Some prefer to call this "definite atonement" or "particular redemption". The death of Christ at Calvary does not make men savable, but rather it saves men completely. The Cross is a completed, successful work that requires no assistance from man. Christ died for all of the sins of the elect. Other views of the scope of the atonement must avoid the idea of all the sins lest these views proclaim a universal salvation. For, if Christ died for all of the sins of all men without exception, upon what basis would any man be denied heaven? Remember, unbelief is a sin and therefore a sin for which Christ died if He has truly died for all the sins of all men without exception.

Spoiler

See: Psalm 34:22, Isaiah 53:8, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 26:28, Luke 1:68, Luke 2:1-2, Luke 19:10, John 3:16 (the Father gave His Son for whom? - according to this verse the Son was given for whoever believes in Him (the believing ones) not for the ones not believing in Him), John 5:13, John 6:35-40, John 10:11, John 10:14 -18, John 10:24-29, John 12:32, John 17:1-11, John 17:20, John 17:24-26, Acts 20:28, Romans 5:8-10, Romans 5:18, Romans 8:32-34, Galatians 3:13, Ephesians 1:3-4, Ephesians 1:7, Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 2:15-16, Ephesians 5:25-27, Hebrews 2:9, Hebrews 2:17, Hebrews 3:1, Hebrews 9:12, Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 10:14, Colossians 1:21-22, 2 Corinthians 5:14-15, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, 1 Timothy 1:15, 2 Timothy 2:4-6, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 John 2:1-2, 1 John 4:14, Titus 2:14, Revelation 5:9.

IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Effectual Election) - "...those whom he called he also justified?" (Rom 8:30)

The Holy Spirit, in agreement with the electing will of the Father and the atoning work of the Son (ib pactum salutis[/i]), does in the fullness of time quicken the dead spirit of a man and give to him the gift of saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. The logical order of salvation is regeneration first, followed by faith/believing. Since dead men do not respond, God must make them alive first (Eph 2:4-5); regeneration, of necessity, precedes any action or activity on the part of man, including faith and repentance. Hence, every single individual upon whom the Spirit of God moves savingly is regenerated, born again, adopted, grafted in, and saved eternally. This saving grace is not coercion. Rather, by transforming the heart, this grace makes the believer wholly willing to trust and obey.

Spoiler

See: Deuteronomy 30:6, Isaiah 55:7, Ezekiel 11:19-20, Ezekiel 18:23, Ezekiel 36:26-27, John 1:12-13 but of God, John 1:12-13, John 3:3-8, John 5:21, John 5:24 - the perfect tense verb reads has already passed from death unto life, John 6:37-39, John 6:38, John 10:16, John 11:14-15, John 11:25, John 11:38-44 , John 17:2, Acts 2:38, Acts 5:31, Acts 11:18, Acts 13:48, Acts 16:14, Acts 17:30, Acts 18:27, Romans 8:8, Romans 8:28-30, Romans 8:32, Romans 9:16, Galatians 6:15, Ephesians 1:3, Ephesians 1:7, Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 2:1-10, Philippians 1:29, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 Corinthians 4:7, 1 Corinthians 6:11, 1 Corinthians 12:3, 2 Corinthians 3:6, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 2 Corinthians 5:17-18, Colossians 2:13, James 1:18, 2 Timothy 2:25, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 1:2-3, 1 Peter 1:23, 1 John 5:1 - a perfect tense verb used here and reads has already been born of God, 1 John 3:7, 1 John 5:4.

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS (The Preservation of The Saints) - "...those whom he justified he also glorified." (Rom 8:30)

Since God is the Author and Finisher of our faith, man cannot fall away from eternal salvation. Once a man has been born-again he cannot be unborn-again. Furthermore, the elect of God will definitely manifest evidences of their salvation by means of good works. The elect shall, by the grace of God and without exception, ultimately persevere in righteousness. The eternal security of the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is demonstrated by the persevering faith and righteousness wrought by the grace of God in His little begotten ones.

Spoiler

See: Isaiah 43:1-3, Jeremiah 32:40, John 3:16, John 3:36, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 6:47, John 6:51, John 10:27-30, John 11:25, John 14:21, John 15:1-11, John 17:12, John 17:15, Romans 8:29-30, Romans 8:35-39, Ephesians 1:5, Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 2:10 God's workmanship, Ephesians 4:30, Hebrews 5:11-6:12, Philippians 1:6, Philippians 2:12-13, Philippians 3:12-15, 1 Corinthians 1:8 , 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, 2 Timothy 1:12, 2 Timothy 4:18, 1 Peter 1:3-5, 1 Peter 1:23, 1 Peter 5:10, 2 Peter 2:10, 1 John 2:19, 1 John 2:25, 1 John 3:9, 1 John 5:13, 1 John 5:18, Jude 1:1, Jude 24-25.

AMR

Another smoke screen.

Are you aware of the fact that the word "Gospel" is not in your vocabulary.

The reason that it is not in your vocabulary is because you don't believe the Gospel. Who needs the Gospel if you have been predestinated?

You also avoid words like "Justification" "Redemption" and "Reconciliation" which are related to the Gospel.

The Gospel is the heart and the center of the New Testament. But you seem to think that predestination is the heart and the center of the New Testament.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Those in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8! That is total depravity right there.

This is speaking about Christians who live in the flesh and are not being led by the Spirit. The following words of Paul are addressed to Christians and he makes it plain that they can live in the flesh:

"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Ro.8:12-13).​

We are to walk in newness of life once we are saved but if we live in the flesh that new life will die.

 

[beloved57]

This is speaking about Christians who live in the flesh and are not being led by the Spirit. The following words of Paul are addressed to Christians and he makes it plain that they can live in the flesh:

"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Ro.8:12-13).​

We are to walk in newness of life once we are saved but if we live in the flesh that new life will die.

You deny the truth. Those in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8 and Christians are not in the flesh because the Spirit of God dwells in them Rom 8:9!

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Robert Pate Avoids Responses To His Own Errors

Robert Pate Avoids Responses To His Own Errors

Another smoke screen.

Are you aware of the fact that the word "Gospel" is not in your vocabulary.

The reason that it is not in your vocabulary is because you don't believe the Gospel. Who needs the Gospel if you have been predestinated?

You also avoid words like "Justification" "Redemption" and "Reconciliation" which are related to the Gospel.

The Gospel is the heart and the center of the New Testament. But you seem to think that predestination is the heart and the center of the New Testament.

You are aware that I am responding to your opening post in this thread, no?

In your opening post, the words justification, redemption, and reconciliation do not appear. Are you avoiding them as you have accused me? Can you be any more small-minded?

Gospel saturates all that I have written above, Robert. Did you actually read and study my response? When you are met with substance in response to your superficial claims, your only retort is to cry "smokescreen", "too many words", etc.

You have outdone your nonsense this time, Robert. :AMR:

AMR

 

[beloved57]

Pates rejecting of truth

TOTAL DEPRAVITY: Man is a depraved sinner, but he is not so depraved that he cannot hear and believe the Gospel.

Jesus must have lied to the jews here when He said Jn 8:43

43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

 

[Robert Pate]

You are aware that I am responding to your opening post in this thread, no?

In your opening post, the words justification, redemption, and reconciliation do not appear. Are you avoiding them as you have accused me? Can you be any more small-minded?

Gospel saturates all that I have written above, Robert. Did you actually read and study my response? When you are met with substance in response to your superficial claims, your only retort is to cry "smokescreen", "too many words", etc.

You have outdone your nonsense this time, Robert. :AMR:

AMR

If you believed the Gospel you would not need Calvinism.

In the Gospel you have ALREADY been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ. No predestination needed.

"All things are of God who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

Unfortunately you don't believe the Gospel, Instead you would rather believe the words of a heretic.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Robert Pate Challenged to Stand Still and Defend His Odd Views

Robert Pate Challenged to Stand Still and Defend His Odd Views

If you believed the Gospel you would not need Calvinism.

In the Gospel you have ALREADY been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ. No predestination needed.

"All things are of God who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

Unfortunately you don't believe the Gospel, Instead you would rather believe the words of a heretic.

As observed here:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?p=4873499#post4873499

You simply fail to grasp what making an argument and defending it actually entails. I have answered your juvenile claims:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Fairy-Tales&p=4873218&viewfull=1#post4873218

Yet, rather than deal with my answer you beat a hasty retreat to more of the same anti-Calvinist cavils with a ready-fire-aim mentality.

How about you and I conduct a formal One-on-One wherein you will be afforded an opportunity to demonstrate your grasp of Scripture? This, of course, means you will be unable to make drive-by posts and run off elsewhere to start new redundant threads. Are you able to actually stand still long enough to defend that which you hold dear?

AMR

 

[Robert Pate]

As observed here:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?p=4873499#post4873499

You simply fail to grasp what making an argument and defending it actually entails. I have answered your juvenile claims:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Fairy-Tales&p=4873218&viewfull=1#post4873218

Yet, rather than deal with my answer you beat a hasty retreat to more of the same anti-Calvinist cavils with a ready-fire-aim mentality.

How about you and I conduct a formal One-on-One wherein you will be afforded an opportunity to demonstrate your grasp of Scripture? This, of course, means you will be unable to make drive-by posts and run off elsewhere to start new redundant threads. Are you able to actually stand still long enough to defend that which you hold dear?

AMR

Why do that when you have already been refuted by God's word?

"All things are of God who has reconciled us and the world unto himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

Its over, you lost. The scripture proves that no one needs to be predestinated. God has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto himself by Jesus Christ.

Even those... "That were sometimes alienated and enemies in their mind by wicked works, yet now has he reconciled" Colossians 1:21.

The only thing left for you to do now is to... "Be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.

Renounce your worthless religion and accept God's great free offer to be reconciled unto him by Jesus Christ.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Robert Answers a Challenge With a Resounding "No! I cannot."

Robert Answers a Challenge With a Resounding "No! I cannot."

How about you and I conduct a formal One-on-One wherein you will be afforded an opportunity to demonstrate your grasp of Scripture? This, of course, means you will be unable to make drive-by posts and run off elsewhere to start new redundant threads. Are you able to actually stand still long enough to defend that which you hold dear?

Why do that when you have already been refuted by God's word?

In other words, Robert, your answer is "No, I cannot." :AMR:

AMR

 

[ok doser]

In other words, Robert, your answer is "No, I cannot." :AMR:

AMR

looks to me like his answer was "i already have" :idunno:

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Roberts Asks and Is Answered But Never Engages the Answers

Roberts Asks and Is Answered But Never Engages the Answers

Its over, you lost. The scripture proves that no one needs to be predestinated. God has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto himself by Jesus Christ.

looks to me like his answer was "i already have" :idunno:

All evidence to the contrary, of course.

Along with a few samplers among hundreds...

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?120864-The-Gospel-Verses-All-Man-Conceived-Religions&p=4854899&viewfull=1#post4854899

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?120864-The-Gospel-Verses-All-Man-Conceived-Religions&p=4854510&viewfull=1#post4854510

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?120598-Receiving-Christ-as-Your-Savior&p=4848714&viewfull=1#post4848714

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?119999-Did-Jesus-Defeat-Sin-Death-and-the-Devil&p=4829299&viewfull=1#post4829299

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?115191-The-quot-L-quot-in-TULIP-Means-that-Jesus-is-NOT-Lord&p=4573212&viewfull=1#post4573212

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?115191-The-quot-L-quot-in-TULIP-Means-that-Jesus-is-NOT-Lord&p=4574039&viewfull=1#post4574039

Robert's naked quoting of Scripture is but relegating Scripture to a mere cudgel.

When engaged, Robert beats a quick retreat.

AMR

 

[Robert Pate]

All evidence to the contrary, of course.

Along with a few samplers among hundreds...

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?120864-The-Gospel-Verses-All-Man-Conceived-Religions&p=4854899&viewfull=1#post4854899

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?120864-The-Gospel-Verses-All-Man-Conceived-Religions&p=4854510&viewfull=1#post4854510

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?120598-Receiving-Christ-as-Your-Savior&p=4848714&viewfull=1#post4848714

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?119999-Did-Jesus-Defeat-Sin-Death-and-the-Devil&p=4829299&viewfull=1#post4829299

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?115191-The-quot-L-quot-in-TULIP-Means-that-Jesus-is-NOT-Lord&p=4573212&viewfull=1#post4573212

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?115191-The-quot-L-quot-in-TULIP-Means-that-Jesus-is-NOT-Lord&p=4574039&viewfull=1#post4574039

Robert's naked quoting of Scripture is but relegating Scripture to a mere cudgel.

When engaged, Robert beats a quick retreat.

AMR

HOGWASH!

You just can't accept the fact that your Calvinist doctrine has been totally and completely refuted.

All that you can do now is do what B57 does, bad mouth.