Brilliant Coup to Coup D’état

[rainee]

"Coup" is actually related to our English word "Cope" if you are interested in word origins.

And to Cope is to face, to deal, even to struggle, with responsibilities, problems or difficulties - especially successfully or in a calm or adequate manner, or on fairly even terms with some degree of success.

Town Heretic knows how to establish and run many threads and has coped with many pains in the neck.

A Coup is simply a highly successful, unexpected stroke, act, or move; a clever action or accomplishment.

To get those pains in the neck thrown off a thread and their posts erased for the good of a group on that thread could be seen as coup.

But then there is the Coup D’état which is the deposition of a legitimate government.

Town Heretic at any other time would have been the one telling me the rules of this forum or telling the laws of this land to y'all.

But all of y'all maybe should consider what an observer might have noticed just recently, namely when I started a thread about "private threads" (as in privately controlled threads.)

Did you see how many TOLers asked me what the thread was about, even when "private threads" was in its title and opening post?

Coups are great and do not have to be seen as bad of course.

But here on a forum where we are all together and held by the rules of the Admin, much to TH's unawareness and without the awareness of many others, we had innocently found a way to almost perfectly have a mock up of a Coup D’état, imho.

Let's see:
A Coup D’état succeeds when the usurpers establish their legitimacy if the attacked government fail to thwart them, by allowing their (strategic, tactical, political) consolidation.

AS StuX pointed out TH held many threads, and had developed a popularity with the people.

A Coup D’état can work best with the acquiescence of the populace.

And an overthrow requires a military backing, either some or all of that previous government's enforcement can be used to replace the deposed government with either military or civil group.

Town would never, nor would any moderators ever join forces to
overthrow the Admin here. But I could see why we all have to be under the same rules even when TH had a perfectly good and proper intention with the Hall of Fame Thread.


All around us is like a fog of war seeming to fall, with marches against cops and the destruction of stores and other buildings, it seems no one is aware of the challenge to the governing principles.


How do y'all feel about that?

 

[bybee]

"Coup" is actually related to our English word "Cope" if you are interested in word origins.

And to Cope is to face, to deal, even to struggle, with responsibilities, problems or difficulties - especially successfully or in a calm or adequate manner, or on fairly even terms with some degree of success.

Town Heretic knows how to establish and run many threads and has coped with many pains in the neck.

A Coup is simply a highly successful, unexpected stroke, act, or move; a clever action or accomplishment.

To get those pains in the neck thrown off a thread and their posts erased for the good of a group on that thread could be seen as coup.

But then there is the Coup D’état which is the deposition of a legitimate government.

Town Heretic at any other time would have been the one telling me the rules of this forum or telling the laws of this land to y'all.

But all of y'all maybe should consider what an observer might have noticed just recently, namely when I started a thread about "private threads" (as in privately controlled threads.)

Did you see how many TOLers asked me what the thread was about, even when "private threads" was in its title and opening post?

Coups are great and do not have to be seen as bad of course.

But here on a forum where we are all together and held by the rules of the Admin, much to TH's unawareness and without the awareness of many others, we had innocently found a way to almost perfectly have a mock up of a Coup D’état, imho.

Let's see:
A Coup D’état succeeds when the usurpers establish their legitimacy if the attacked government fail to thwart them, by allowing their (strategic, tactical, political) consolidation.

AS StuX pointed out TH held many threads, and had developed a popularity with the people.

A Coup D’état can work best with the acquiescence of the populace.

And an overthrow requires a military backing, either some or all of that previous government's enforcement can be used to replace the deposed government with either military or civil group.

Town would never, nor would any moderators ever join forces to
overthrow the Admin here. But I could see why we all have to be under the same rules even when TH had a perfectly good and proper intention with the Hall of Fame Thread.


All around us is like a fog of war seeming to fall, with marches against cops and the destruction of stores and other buildings, it seems no one is aware of the challenge to the governing principles.


How do y'all feel about that?

I work alone.

 

[FellowServant]

I think you need to let this go. Enough already!

 

[rainee]

Ok Fellow Servant,
I will gladly.

But some are still writing to me saying I felt the Thread for Hall of Famers was an elitist or exclusionary thread.

What can I do to make it clearer once and for all than this thread?

He can't be creating exclusionist threads (made that word up maybe) if he is overthrowing the powers that be, eh?

But of course I do not think Town is the next Ayatollah Khomeini either.

That is why I wrote his innocent coup was coping may be at it best ..

I mean No harm to him or the thread.

 

[Town Heretic]

"Coup" is actually related to our English word "Cope" if you are interested in word origins.

And to Cope is to face, to deal, even to struggle, with responsibilities, problems or difficulties - especially successfully or in a calm or adequate manner, or on fairly even terms with some degree of success.

Town Heretic knows how to establish and run many threads and has coped with many pains in the neck.

I don't know about many threads. I have around 90 on the board, most of them dormant. You have, what, around 50? You'd be amazed at how many people have so many you can only see 100. I think GFR got to 100 in a week. lain: Okay, maybe two. I rarely have more than one or two going with any steam at the same time, though given I generate threads that tend to not have limited shelf life, I revisit a few from time to time.

...But all of y'all maybe should consider what an observer might have noticed just recently, namely when I started a thread about "private threads" (as in privately controlled threads.) Did you see how many TOLers asked me what the thread was about, even when "private threads" was in its title and opening post?

I think what was being asked went more to the point of the thing. You have a passive aggressive way of posting. So a thread which was really just a "complain about Town" bit was set out, initially, as something broader. Your focus, however, was hard to miss.

Coups are great and do not have to be seen as bad of course.

Right. But this is your method. Shakespeare did it better, "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him."

But here on a forum where we are all together and held by the rules of the Admin, much to TH's unawareness and without the awareness of many others, we had innocently found a way to almost perfectly have a mock up of a Coup D’état, imho.

How do you figure (either)?

Let's see:
A Coup D’état succeeds when the usurpers establish their legitimacy if the attacked government fail to thwart them, by allowing their (strategic, tactical, political) consolidation.

AS StuX pointed out TH held many threads, and had developed a popularity with the people.

Well, my threads do well and I have a number of friends. Does that bother you? I think it might. It bothered chrys...he pointed this sort of thing out often enough too.

Town would never, nor would any moderators ever join forces to overthrow the Admin here.

lain: More Caesar then. If a thing is inconsiderable then it isn't worth considering. If you consider it, the association is really the end game. But I never said you weren't clever, rainee.

But I could see why we all have to be under the same rules even when TH had a perfectly good and proper intention with the Hall of Fame Thread.

Caesar, again.

But there wasn't a contest, rainee. I had an idea. One person trolled it and you played at one thing while doing another (see: your gibe admission) which is really what you do here, so all that happened is a couple of malcontents, one smiling and one not so much, took the point and fun out of a thread.

That's no coup, rainee. It happens all the time. Oh, and I got your nose. lain:

 

[Rusha]

Ok Fellow Servant,
I will gladly.

But some are still writing to me saying I felt the Thread for Hall of Famers was an elitist or exclusionary thread.

What can I do to make it clearer once and for all than this thread?

He can't be creating exclusionist threads (made that word up maybe) if he is overthrowing the powers that be, eh?

But of course I do not think Town is the next Ayatollah Khomeini either.

That is why I wrote his innocent coup was coping may be at it best ..

I mean No harm to him or the thread.

Posts from that thread:

Town Heretic 24
Angel4Truth 8
resodko 6
Tambora 6
Eeset 5
Rusha 5
Ktoyou 4
fool 2
Vaquero45 2
SaulToPaul 2
Delmar 2
Nick M 2
Inzl Kett 2
FellowServant 1
Ask Mr. Religion 1
Granite 1
rocketman 1
Knight 1
Psalmist 1
student x 1
TomO 1
kmoney 1

There is one non HOF who has more posts than I do and one with the same number of posts. It's apparent to anyone with vision (and who doesn't encourage trolls) that two people are posting there for the sole purpose of harassment.

I can't speak for TH, Rainee, however, I believe he was trying to avoid the excuse that would be utilized by those who follow him from thread to thread to disrupt and harass for their own amusement.

These threads you are creating continue to feed those who live to troll. The only thing at this point that would save that thread is to either close or delete it. Which was the exact intent of a few ...

The thread has been ruined exactly as intended.

 

[FellowServant]

Posts from that thread:

Town Heretic 24
Angel4Truth 8
resodko 6
Tambora 6
Eeset 5
Rusha 5
Ktoyou 4
fool 2
Vaquero45 2
SaulToPaul 2
Delmar 2
Nick M 2
Inzl Kett 2
FellowServant 1
Ask Mr. Religion 1
Granite 1
rocketman 1
Knight 1
Psalmist 1
student x 1
TomO 1
kmoney 1

There is one non HOF who has more posts than I do and one with the same number of posts. It's apparent to anyone with vision (and who doesn't encourage trolls) that two people are posting there for the sole purpose of harassment.

I can't speak for TH, Rainee, however, I believe he was trying to avoid the excuse that would be utilized by those who follow him from thread to thread to disrupt and harass for their own amusement.

These threads you are creating continue to feed those who live to troll. The only thing at this point that would save that thread is to either close or delete it. Which was the exact intent of a few ...

The thread has been ruined exactly as intended.

Well stated. That's exactly how I see it..

 

[genuineoriginal]

"Coup" is actually related to our English word "Cope" if you are interested in word origins.

And to Cope is to face, to deal, even to struggle, with responsibilities, problems or difficulties - especially successfully or in a calm or adequate manner, or on fairly even terms with some degree of success.

Town Heretic knows how to establish and run many threads and has coped with many pains in the neck.

A Coup is simply a highly successful, unexpected stroke, act, or move; a clever action or accomplishment.

Does that mean that a Coupe DeVille is a highly successful move by the devil instead of a carriage for a person that lives in a village?

 

[rainee]

Rusha, Fellow Servant,

You both have been kind to me and perhaps patient over this.
I respect you both so much I went and tried to break down when the offending posters posted in relation to my two threads.

I can't be responsible for any offense anyone made before Dec 15 2014 some time after 824 am since that is when I posted.

After that my thread may have encouraged some offensive posts.

But after I wrote this thread this morning no one but good kind supportive Hofers have posted on it.

In fact the posting is very similar to that from January 2014 onward for quite some way.

 

[rainee]

Does that mean that a Coupe DeVille is a highly successful move by the devil instead of a carriage for a person that lives in a village?

Yes and that I am secretly Cruella De Vil

How did you get that, now I'm worried

 

[rainee]

BTW, sometimes when one finds oneself in a conflict with TH it can be a little like trying to stop falling off a building.

 

[rainee]

Town you posted that after I posted this:

But some are still writing to me saying I felt the Thread for Hall of Famers was an elitist or exclusionary thread.

What can I do to make it clearer once and for all than this thread?

He can't be creating exclusionist threads (made that word up maybe) if he is overthrowing the powers that be, eh?

But of course I do not think Town is the next Ayatollah Khomeini either.

That is why I wrote his innocent coup was coping may be at it best ..

I mean No harm to him or the thread.

Now Town, no one, no one, no one thinks you are anything like the Ayatollah Khomeini.

This thread had elements of the bizarre - and not one soul could avoid wondering what the hey I was saying if they really thought about it.

Oh I did make some points, but toward you or others who didn't realize how there had been a shift in positions? Not just for your, but most every one...

I repeat what I said earlier, you told me rules. You. Never me to you. Never.

I find the whole thing interesting. i compare it to how things are changing on the streets in this country - some places more than others.
I wonder about it, why and if anyone should try to stop it.. :idunno:

...

I think what was being asked went more to the point of the thing. You have a passive aggressive way of posting. So a thread which was really just a "complain about Town" bit was set out, initially, as something broader. Your focus, however, was hard to miss.

Town, oh my word how can I talk to you guys here? Sometimes I am passive and sometimes I am pitching a fit. Now if you remind me of topics that are big because of your kind of offenses - whose fault is that - really? Whose? Not mine, surely. Yours? And btw Town did I ever compare you to Caesar? No! Knight would have loved that yeah?

 

[Town Heretic]

Town you posted that after I posted this:

That't true.

Now Town, no one, no one, no one thinks you are anything like the Ayatollah Khomeini.

Imagine my relief (see: Marck Antony).

This thread had elements of the bizarre - and not one soul could avoid wondering what the hey I was saying if they really thought about it.

I see.

I repeat what I said earlier, you told me rules. You. Never me to you. Never.

I literally don't understand what that means. I told you rules? Are you saying I noted my intent was the thread be initially reserved for HOFers? Right. Then, after no one actually said anything to me in the negative, but you launched a thread mischaracterizing my response to you I said, "Oh brother" and dropped the notion. Have at it. Make it like almost any other thread around here. Super. Put a star on your refrigerator. lain:

I find the whole thing interesting. i compare it to how things are changing on the streets in this country - some places more than others.

Not sure what you think is changing around here. I'd say it's less interesting, more often trolled and that the rules are about as indifferently applied as I ever recall it, but structurally there's not much difference.

What do you think is changing around here?

Town, oh my word how can I talk to you guys here? Sometimes I am passive and sometimes I am pitching a fit.

Yeah, I've gotten that act. But the simpler truth is someone who has no problem coming to me about others should have no problem coming to me to speak to anything troubling involving me.

You didn't. You took a jab and disguised it as a positive (as you admitted later, your gibe) then you started a public thread to draw in the vultures. Got it. I'm not the least confused by you at this point.

And btw Town did I ever compare you to Caesar? No! Knight would have loved that yeah?

I wouldn't have been Caesar in that. The intimation was you were doing the Mark Antony speech. I'd have been Brutus in that parallel, not Caesar. But way to try to take another inferential jab, even if you overreached.

 

[Eeset]

Fact .... 10:46 p.m. on Dec 13th I made the following post to the HOFer how you doing thread. It was the 42nd post in that thread but was later remover by IK. ....
"How many people are in the TOL hall of fame?"

Fact .... at 10:51 Town replies with
"This is a thread for HOFers. If you're not in you shouldn't be posting here."

Fact ..... at 11:05 p.m. I reply and sometime later my two posts are removed with the following message. ......
"This message has been deleted by Inzl Kett. Reason: Non-HOFer posting in HOFer thread.


Fact. at 1:53 p.m. the following afternoon rainee posts .....
"It is very wonderful to see the HoF group doing well and good!"

and at 2:56 Town replies with .....
"Appreciated rainee, but posting here is restricted to Hall of Fame members.

There seems to be a little confusion on the point of late. :idunno: Now that means please, don't post here to apologize for not realizing you weren't meant to post here. "

Rainee's post was subsequently removed by IK.

Neither of my first 2 nor Rainee's original posts have been restored to that thread.

Fact .... Town has been told before that threads are for dialogue and members can not be excluded. That is, in fact, why he locks many of his threads. IK was, however, evidently not aware of site policy on this matter.

 

[Nang]

Fact .... 10:46 p.m. on Dec 13th I made the following post to the HOFer how you doing thread. It was the 42nd post in that thread but was later remover by IK. ....
"How many people are in the TOL hall of fame?"

Fact .... at 10:51 Town replies with
"This is a thread for HOFers. If you're not in you shouldn't be posting here."

Fact ..... at 11:05 p.m. I reply and sometime later my two posts are removed with the following message. ......
"This message has been deleted by Inzl Kett. Reason: Non-HOFer posting in HOFer thread.


Fact. at 1:53 p.m. the following afternoon rainee posts .....
"It is very wonderful to see the HoF group doing well and good!"

and at 2:56 Town replies with .....
"Appreciated rainee, but posting here is restricted to Hall of Fame members.

There seems to be a little confusion on the point of late. :idunno: Now that means please, don't post here to apologize for not realizing you weren't meant to post here. "

Rainee's post was subsequently removed by IK.

Neither of my first 2 nor Rainee's original posts have been restored to that thread.

Fact .... Town has been told before that threads are for dialogue and members can not be excluded. That is, in fact, why he locks many of his threads. IK was, however, evidently not aware of site policy on this matter.

She should have asked and found out, before she started deleting members' posts. And these deleted posts should now be restored, since the rules and policy has been clarified by Knight.

 

[Town Heretic]

Fact .... 10:46 p.m. on Dec 13th I made the following post to the HOFer how you doing thread. It was the 42nd post in that thread but was later remover by IK. ....
"How many people are in the TOL hall of fame?"

Fact .... at 10:51 Town replies with
"This is a thread for HOFers. If you're not in you shouldn't be posting here."

Fact ..... at 11:05 p.m. I reply and sometime later my two posts are removed with the following message. ......
"This message has been deleted by Inzl Kett. Reason: Non-HOFer posting in HOFer thread.


Fact. at 1:53 p.m. the following afternoon rainee posts .....
"It is very wonderful to see the HoF group doing well and good!"

and at 2:56 Town replies with .....
"Appreciated rainee, but posting here is restricted to Hall of Fame members.

There seems to be a little confusion on the point of late. :idunno: Now that means please, don't post here to apologize for not realizing you weren't meant to post here. "

Rainee's post was subsequently removed by IK.

I didn't make a request on that one. Didn't actually notice it. And by the time things had spun to that extent I was already entertaining ending the notion and/or closing the thread. Which I would have done if anyone had come to me with a concern. I thought it was a really good notion, a window on something that could encourage people and a couple of idiots with a grudge do about the only thing they've demonstrated a capacity for...which is a sad way of getting attention and no real power that matters.

Neither of my first 2 nor Rainee's original posts have been restored to that thread.

Your comment, which I don't remember being as you set it out, was the sort of, "Hey, lookie!" peace of horsefeathers you launch to try and annoy me in Quixote's and anyone with a brain knows it. But Rusha has already pointed that out...That's why after I asked you, nicely, to stop doing that you came back with the second post as fast as you could.

Fact .... Town has been told before that threads are for dialogue and members can not be excluded.

No, I've actually been told it depends and I've been told that by Knight. For the most part that's true, but not always and not with all people.

But this is mostly an invention by people who have already displayed a public and ongoing grudge. No one whines about groups that exclude around here. This isn't about that and I can read a newspaper through you. Hopefully anyone who cares one way or the other can too.

That is, in fact, why he locks many of his threads.

No. In fact only a couple are, I think. Dead threads that have continued in other forms, like a yearly NFL thread or Observations, which became Quixote's. I already put the lie to Stux's blog nonsense by setting out and clearly that the threads he pointed to were dominated by the posts of others, even if most of the traffic is about the Gazette.

She should have asked and found out, before she started deleting members' posts. And these deleted posts should now be restored, since the rules and policy has been clarified by Knight.

Maybe you should start a thread. Be sure and shake your finger of righteous indignation. But be careful, at some point you may develop carpel tunnel.

 

[fzappa13]

Elitism always bring out the best in folks don't you think?

 

[Town Heretic]

Elitism always bring out the best in folks don't you think?

I think anyone actually associating stature in an internet chatroom with elitism needs a broader perspective and an off switch on their computer...well, another one then. Some of the brightest and best posters around here have always been outside of the not so Secret Order and/or the Hall and their reputations don't remotely reflect the gravitas or ability. The Hall is nothing more or less than a recognition by Knight of a sampling of people who've helped grow and maintain an interesting forum. It's not an IQ or credit score. lain:

I'm mostly chagrined I'd have to tell anyone that, that people like rainee speak to lobbying for a place. . . It amazes me.

 

[Eeset]

When I wrote my reply above I originally predicted a response of parsing, denial and various other tactics but I removed those comments to just stick with easily verifiable facts that anyone can go investigate in that thread should they be curious.

The reason I was able to quote my original posting to that thread is because you actually captured it by quoting it. Of course you can always go edit that.

 

[Nang]

I am chagrined that an ordinary member would have to tell a Mod they should restore wrongly deleted posts.

It is a matter of principle, that is sorely lacking around here.