Beware of Tanakh bearing people who want to teach Christians:

Gurucam

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Colossian: 1 KJV N.T.
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


Christians would like people of other traditions to respect the above revelations from our Holy KJV N.T.

In the above, the Holy KJV N.T. confirms that the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven would not be found in the O.T. and other such Old works.

Also in the above, the Holy KJV N.T. confirms that the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven will not be found every where in the KJV N.T.

In the above, the Holy KJV N.T. confirms that the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven was given, by Jesus, to only the disciples, in very private sessions among only them. This is where Christians find the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.

The above is the Christian position.

Beware of those who come to you with the O.T., Torah, the Tanakh and/or other Hebrew Bible, in the name of Christianity, trying to convince you that those scriptures contain the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.

Christians must accept only the KJV N.T. and rely only on the KJV N.T. Christianity is anchored only on the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven which were delivered to only the disciples only when Jesus came among those people 2000 odd years ago.

The above is the Christian position which must be totally respected.
 

beameup

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I'd beware of Jews bearing the Talmud. :rotfl:
Actually, it is Paul that declares that there were Mysteries that were previously unknown,
but had been revealed directly to him by the risen Christ from heaven. We have been given those
Mysteries in Paul's Epistles.
 

daqq

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Colossian: 1 KJV N.T.
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


Christians would like people of other traditions to respect the above revelations from our Holy KJV N.T.

In the above, the Holy KJV N.T. confirms that the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven would not be found in the O.T. and other such Old works.

Also in the above, the Holy KJV N.T. confirms that the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven will not be found every where in the KJV N.T.

In the above, the Holy KJV N.T. confirms that the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven was given, by Jesus, to only the disciples, in very private sessions among only them. This is where Christians find the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.

The above is the Christian position.

Beware of those who come to you with the O.T., Torah, the Tanakh and/or other Hebrew Bible, in the name of Christianity, trying to convince you that those scriptures contain the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.

Christians must accept only the KJV N.T. and rely only on the KJV N.T. Christianity is anchored only on the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven which were delivered to only the disciples only when Jesus came among those people 2000 odd years ago.

The above is the Christian position which must be totally respected.

I'd beware of Jews bearing the Talmud. :rotfl:
Actually, it is Paul that declares that there were Mysteries that were previously unknown,
but had been revealed directly to him by the risen Christ from heaven. We have been given those
Mysteries in Paul's Epistles.

Since your church fathers added this following passage into the Gospel of Matthew I find it ironic how the same statement proves you both to be charlatans and wannabe beleeeevers. A NAME is not just a spelling or a title but rather packed full of character, attribute, quality, and so much more: therefore to be immersed into a name means to be immersed into the DOCTRINE of that name. One therefore CANNOT be immersed into the NAME of the Father without having the TESTIMONY of the Father which is ONLY found in His Holy Word which is written in the whole of TaNaK. The name of the Father is therefore all of TaNaK, (Torah, Neviim-Prophets, and Ketuvim-Writings). The name of the Son is likewise therefore all of the New Covenant Apostolic writings but especially what is written of the words of the Master Teacher Yeshua in the four Gospel accounts, that is, the Testimony of Yeshua. One must therefore also be immersed into the full Testimony of Yeshua as well as all of Tanach, according to the following Matthew statement below. Here it is in ye "Holy KJV N.T., (according to the OP, :rotfl:)

Matthew 28:19 KJV (Holy KJV N.T. :))
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

:sheep:
 

Gurucam

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Our Holy KJV N.T. has two different sets of instructions, for two different sets of people, as follows:

Our Holy KJV N.T. say that one set is for Christians and the other set is for others. These sets are as follows:

1. Those who follow Jesus embraced, esteemed, used, promoted and/or invoked the the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. These are N.T. people/Christians.

2. Those who refuse to embrace, esteem, use, promote and/or invoke the the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. These remained O.T. people.

The former are those who 'follow Jesus'. The latter are 'the dead who were given to bury their own kind'. Our Holy KJV N.T. says:

Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


Christians are like the disciples, they were given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven and they are given the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.

The other set of people are like the masses who were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave these masses, parables which do not in any way contain the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven and were given to take away the little that they had.

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


Our Holy KJV N.T. says that many sought to follow Jesus (like the disciples) However they were all turned away. Our Holy KJV N.T. say that only the disciples were chosen by God to be given the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven, by Jesus and they were given to get this only privately among only them.

Everyone else were to be appeased and fooled-up with parables, which anchors Christianity. They were simply not given to get the New Covenant:

John: 6 KJV N.T.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?


Our Holy KJV N.T. say that the disciple were the chosen few. Only they were given. by God, to get special (and New) things from Jesus which not one else were given by God to get. These were the N.T. things. These were not the O.T. things. Only these twelve people were chosen by God to get the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven which can make humans Christians. All others were simply bluffed into keeping the peace.

One who is interested in following Jesus and being Christians are instructed by our Holy KJV N.T. to ignore all other revelations (parables an all) and seek put and embrace only those revelations which Jesus made only to His disciples in very private sessions among only them.

Our Holy KJV N.T. says that when one esteems, quotes, uses and invokes things that are not given to the disciples, by Jesus, in private sessions to only them, one will not get truth. One will not get the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. One will get things which are for the dead to bury their dead.

This warning is very clear in ouR Holy KJV N.T.
 
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beameup

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therefore to be immersed into a name means to be immersed into the DOCTRINE of that name.
:surf:
One therefore CANNOT be immersed into the NAME of the Father without having the TESTIMONY of the Father
:rain:
One must therefore also be immersed into the full Testimony of Yeshua as well as all of Tanach,
:denver:


Does immersion play a significant role in your cult?

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daqq

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Our Holy KJV N.T. has two different sets of instructions, for two different sets of people, as follows:

Our Holy KJV N.T. say that one set is for Christians and the other set is for others. These sets are as follows:

1. Those who follow Jesus embraced, esteemed, used, promoted and/or invoked the the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. These are N.T. people/Christians.

2. Those who refuse to embrace, esteem, use, promote and/or invoke the the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. These remained O.T. people.

The former are those who 'follow Jesus'. The latter are 'the dead who were given to bury their own kind'. Our Holy KJV N.T. says:

Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


Christians are like the disciples, they were given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven and they are given the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.

The other set of people are like the masses who were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave these masses, parables which do not in any way contain the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven and were given to take away the little that they had.

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


Our Holy KJV N.T. says: only the disciples were chosen by God to be given the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven, by Jesus and they were given to get this only privately among only them. Everyone else were to be appeased and fooled-up with parables, so that they will keep the peace and not seek to kill Jesus. prematurely.

John: 6 KJV N.T.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?


Our Holy KJV N.T. say that the disciple were the chosen few. They were given to get things from Jesus which not one else were given by God to get. These were the N.T. things. These were not the O.T. things. Only these twelve people were chose by God to get the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven which can make humans Christians. All others were simply bluffed into keeping the peace.

One who is interested in following Jesus and being Christians are instructed by our Holy KJV N.T. to ignore all other revelations (parables an all) and seek put and embrace only those revelations which Jesus made only to His disciples in very private sessions among only them.

According to your own "Holy KJV N.T." Matthew 28:19 says that you also need to be:
"IMMERSED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER"
Which is all of the "Old Testament", (Tanach). :crackup:
 

daqq

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:surf:
:rain:
:denver:



Does immersion play a significant role in your cult?

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Apparently you have no clue what immersion truly means? That could only mean that you must think of it as a one-time literal physical water baptism. How pitiful you are if you have no clue what immersion into the Word concerns. Do you not claim to worship the Son of God as God Almighty? Why then do you not even know what it means to be immersed into his Testimony-Doctrine-Word? Have you never even read Paul who speaks to you of the washing of water IN the Word? You seriously do not know what it means to immerse yourself in the Doctrine of Yeshua? And yet you claim he is God? How can you really believe what you claim you believe and yet you do not immerse yourself in his Doctrine-Word?
 

beameup

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Apparently you have no clue what immersion truly means? That could only mean that you must think of it as a one-time literal physical water baptism. How pitiful you are if you have no clue what immersion into the Word concerns. Do you not claim to worship the Son of God as God Almighty? Why then do you not even know what it means to be immersed into his Testimony-Doctrine-Word? Have you never even read Paul who speaks to you of the washing of water IN the Word? You seriously do not know what it means to immerse yourself in the Doctrine of Yeshua? And yet you claim he is God? How can you really believe what you claim you believe and yet you do not immerse yourself in his Doctrine-Word?

If there is any consolation, I know how to "Walk in the Spirit". I'm not a good swimmer, so immersion doesn't sound appealing. Did they keep you down-under too long? I diligently searched Paul's epistles for his teaching on "immerse yourself in his Doctrine-Word?" and "immersed into his Testimony-Doctrine-Word", but couldn't find it.

I did find the following phrases in Paul's Epistles: "live in accordance with the Spirit" "led by the Spirit" (Romans 8); "walk by the Spirit" "led by the Spirit" "live by the Spirit" "keep in step with the Spirit" (Galatians 5) "be filled with the Spirit" Ephesians 5:18 :mario:
 

daqq

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If there is any consolation, I know how to "Walk in the Spirit". I'm not a good swimmer, so immersion doesn't sound appealing. Did they keep you down-under too long? I diligently searched Paul's epistles for his teaching on "immerse yourself in his Doctrine-Word?" and "immersed into his Testimony-Doctrine-Word", but couldn't find it.

I did find the following phrases in Paul's Epistles: "live in accordance with the Spirit" "led by the Spirit" (Romans 8); "walk by the Spirit" "led by the Spirit" "live by the Spirit" "keep in step with the Spirit" (Galatians 5) "be filled with the Spirit" Ephesians 5:18 :mario:

The Testimony of Yeshua is the "New Covenant" Spirit and you therefore deceive and are deceived. It has already been shown to you multiple times and you deny the Testimony of Yeshua which refutes your stance. In fact, if indeed your are a Mid-Acts adherent as your avatar implies, you likely do not even believe that the Testimony of Yeshua applies to yourself. You are clueless to what the Spirit is and all of your statements and comments reveal it. If you have not the Testimony of Yeshua, (and have and hold it in uprightness), then you have not Holy Spirit. How can you be "filled with the Spirit" or be "walking in the Spirit" or be "led by the Spirit" when you do not believe that the Testimony of Yeshua, which is the Spirit, applies to yourself?
 

Gurucam

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According to your own "Holy KJV N.T." Matthew 28:19 says that you also need to be:
"IMMERSED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER"
Which is all of the "Old Testament", (Tanach). :crackup:

That is not the first thing.

This is the first thing:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


In the above revelation, both the Holy KJV N.T. and Jesus define the two different sets of instructions/deliveries in the Holy KJV N.T., and how one must use the Holy KJV N.T.

The above is the first thing that one must know before using the Holy KJV N.T.


Jesus confirmed the above only when the disciples had notice that He was making two different sets of deliveries and they asked about it. A teacher does not voluntary new information until his students are ready and show their readiness by asking the correct question.

Jesus waited until the disciples observed that he was making one set of deliveries to the public and another set to them, privately and they ask him about it:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?


Then the Holy KJV N.T. says that Jesus confirmed that he was delivering two different sets of guidance and instructions, because this was the will and instruction of God. This was because God had divided Jesus' audience into two sets of people. The disciples were on one side and all others on the other side. And only the disciples were given by God to get/know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.

Jesus' two deliveries were as follows:

1. Jesus delivered the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven to only his disciples, in private session among only them, because only they were given/permitted by God to come onto Jesus and get this mystery which was hidden from those (Abrahamic) people up to that time.

Jesus obeyed God and gave this mystery (which were hidden from Abraham's people until then) to only the twelve disciples.

Also the Holy KJV N.T. says that the disciples (alone) were given these mysteries because they 'hath' and the intent was that they 'shall have more abundance'.

2. On the other hand, the Holy KJV N.T. says that all others were not given by God to come onto Jesus and were not given by God to get this mystery. These others were not given by to get/know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven from Jesus.

Also the Holy KJV N.T. say that these masses of people got parables because they 'hath not' and the intent was to take away even that he hath. Jesus obeyed God and did not attempt to give these mystery to these masses of people. Jesus did not hide this mystery in parables.

The above is the most important instruction, in the Holy KJV N.T., on how to recognize and use the Holy KJV N.T., it self. The Holy KJV N.T. says:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


The above defines how one must approach and use the Holy KJV N.T., as follows:

1. Only those deliveries which Jesus made to his disciples in very private sessions among only them contain the truth, i.e. the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.

2. All other deliveries (including all parables), even if they sound most divine, are not intended to deliver the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. They do not have this mystery hidden in them.

Like the disciples, you will not realize this fact and be given to know truth (i.e. the mysteries of God kingdom of heaven) until you notice these opposing revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. and seek clarification in the Holy KJV N.T.

Then, like the disciples, from your own realization, you will wonder why are there different instructions in the Holy KJV N.T.

Then you will seek the answer in the Holy KJV N.T. and it will be opened onto you. You will be brought to the above revelation, in the Holy KJV N.T..

Until the above happens one remains 'the dead who is burying oneself and one's dead counterparts.

Until the above awareness is achieved and the above question arises and one accept and adopt the above answer, from Jesus, one is not yet given by God to get/know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.

Until the above happens, one cannot be among the few who found the narrow way and straight gate that leadeth onto eternal life. One cannot be among the chosen few.

The Holy KJV N.T. says, people err when they do not scriptures and the power of God. The above is scriptures which giveth one access to the power of God:

Mark: 12
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?


The Holy KJV N.T. says that the consequence of not knowing scriptures and the power of God is as follows:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew: 22
King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

 
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Gurucam

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Matthews: 28 KJV N.T.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


The instruction, 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' was given to a general audience which included some who doubted Jesus. Jesus never deliver the mystery of God kingdom of heaven in such gatherings.

As nice and reasonable as the above may sound, this request is not about the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. That delivery is about pacifying and fooling doubting people (the dead) so that they will not destroy Jesus's actual works.

The Holy KJV N.T. confirms that those who doubted Jesus were never allow to follow Jesus as a disciples and so be privy to the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. They were always given parables and other things to appease and fool them.


John: 6 KJV N.T.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


1. What indeed is "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". It is nothing. This is the foolishness that was given to people who were not given to know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. This was given to an audience which included none believers.

2. The actual truth based message, as confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T. is, 'become converted (spiritually aware). That is, be converted from having a waxed gross heart to one whose heart is no longer waxed gross. Then search your no longer waxed gross heart and discern the Spirit of Jesus within you own heart/spirit. Then when you are led into your works by precisely what Spirit has in mind for you to know, pray for say and do, as discerned within your own heart/spirit, you do the will of God and enter God's kingdom of heaven'. This message was given to those who were given to know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. This message was given to audiences of only believers (only the disciples).

The first message (# 1.) was given, by Jesus publicly to a group of people who included none believers. Jesus was not authorized (at any forum) to give the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven to none believers. They were/are not given to know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, the second message (# 2.) was given privately by Jesus, to only the disciples. They were given to know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. Which will you choose?

Foolish churches embrace the above parable (# 1.) and baptize people in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, by sprinkling water etc. on people and probably parrot some slogans. This is all about what people who are not given to know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven, do. This is all about people fooling themselves and their charges. It is all foolishness. This is all about 'the dead burying their dead'. This is about people who want something for nothing.

The above foolish practice is about message (# 1.), above. This is how Jesus enabled the dead to be appeased and also bury each other while they believe that they have the real path. This is the path given to none believers who are unrelenting 'children of the flesh' and not destine to inherit God's kingdom of heaven. This is not about following Jesus.

Only the disciples were given to follow Jesus and only they got message (# 2.), above.

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given
.

Message (# 2.), above is the path given to believers. It is the actual mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.


Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


Those who follow Jesus are believers. 'let the dead bury their dead is the path given to none believers. There are instructions for both types of people in the Holy KJV N.T. It is for each person to achieve the spiritual actualization to differentiate and separate these two sets of instructions or . . . perish.

The final opportunity to wake up from foolishness is at hand.


Matthews: 20 KJV N.T.
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many are called, but few chosen.
 
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daqq

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That is not the first thing.

This is the first thing:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


In the above revelation, both the Holy KJV N.T. and Jesus define the two different sets of instructions/deliveries in the Holy KJV N.T., and how one must use the Holy KJV N.T.

The above is the first thing that one must know before using the Holy KJV N.T.


Jesus confirmed the above only when the disciples had notice that He was making two different sets of deliveries and they asked about it. A teacher does not voluntary new information until his students are ready and show their readiness by asking the correct question.

Jesus waited until the disciples observed that he was making one set of deliveries to the public and another set to them, privately and they ask him about it:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?


Then the Holy KJV N.T. says that Jesus confirmed that he was delivering two different sets of guidance and instructions, because this was the will and instruction of God. This was because God had divided Jesus' audience into two sets of people. The disciples were on one side and all others on the other side. And only the disciples were given by God to get/know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.

Jesus' two deliveries were as follows:

1. Jesus delivered the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven to only his disciples, in private session among only them, because only they were given/permitted by God to come onto Jesus and get this mystery which was hidden from those (Abrahamic) people up to that time.

Jesus obeyed God and gave this mystery (which were hidden from Abraham's people until then) to only the twelve disciples.

Also the Holy KJV N.T. says that the disciples (alone) were given these mysteries because they 'hath' and the intent was that they 'shall have more abundance'.

2. On the other hand, the Holy KJV N.T. says that all others were not given by God to come onto Jesus and were not given by God to get this mystery. These others were not given by to get/know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven from Jesus.

Also the Holy KJV N.T. say that these masses of people got parables because they 'hath not' and the intent was to take away even that he hath. Jesus obeyed God and did not attempt to give these mystery to these masses of people. Jesus did not hide this mystery in parables.

The above is the most important instruction, in the Holy KJV N.T., on how to recognize and use the Holy KJV N.T., it self. The Holy KJV N.T. says:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


The above defines how one must approach and use the Holy KJV N.T., as follows:

1. Only those deliveries which Jesus made to his disciples in very private sessions among only them contain the truth, i.e. the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.

2. All other deliveries (including all parables), even if they sound most divine, are not intended to deliver the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven. They do not have this mystery hidden in them.

Like the disciples, you will not realize this fact and be given to know truth (i.e. the mysteries of God kingdom of heaven) until you notice these opposing revelations in the Holy KJV N.T. and seek clarification in the Holy KJV N.T.

Then, like the disciples, from your own realization, you will wonder why are there different instructions in the Holy KJV N.T.

Then you will seek the answer in the Holy KJV N.T. and it will be opened onto you. You will be brought to the above revelation, in the Holy KJV N.T..

Until the above happens one remains 'the dead who is burying oneself and one's dead counterparts.

Until the above awareness is achieved and the above question arises and one accept and adopt the above answer, from Jesus, one is not yet given by God to get/know the mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.

Until the above happens, one cannot be among the few who found the narrow way and straight gate that leadeth onto eternal life. One cannot be among the chosen few.

The Holy KJV N.T. says, people err when they do not scriptures and the power of God. The above is scriptures which giveth one access to the power of God:

Mark: 12
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?


The Holy KJV N.T. says that the consequence of not knowing scriptures and the power of God is as follows:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew: 22
King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


Where do you get the idea that these things are somehow only expounded in the "Holy KJV N.T.", (as you put it)? The parables of Messiah have nothing to do with supporting the ridiculous "KJV ONLY-ism" doctrine. To those without, all things are done in parables; but the parables do indeed contain secrets kept hidden from the foundation of the world. The reason why all things are done in parables to those without is because one must first seek the kingdom of Elohim and His righteousness. If you do not seek the Most High, and love Him with all of your heart, and with all of your mind, and with all of your soul, and with all of your strength, then you will get out of the Word what you put into it: which is either a half-hearted effort or nothing at all. And as for those of the Gospel accounts concerning which he spoke the quote from Isaiah 6, it does not say they would be forever blinded. You are therefore out of context in your understanding. HOW LONG, O MASTER? is the reply from the Prophet; and the answer is given in the text:

Isaiah 6:8-13
8 Also I heard the voice of Adonay, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me!
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
11 Then said I, how long, Adonay? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted, without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate:
12 And
[until] YHWH has removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land!
13 And if there be yet a tenth in it, it also shall in turn be consumed: as a terebinth tree, and as an oak, whose stump remains when the are felled:
the holy seed is the stump thereof!

You claim to understand parables: why therefore do you not perceive the ten lepers in this passage? Every man is likened to a tree in the Doctrine of Yeshua. Do you not remember that of the ten only a tenth was truly made whole? Or what about the land? Do you not understand that every man has his land? When were you ever driven far away from your land, O man? Or what about the houses mentioned herein above? Do you not understand that your body-temple is a house in the Doctrine of the Master Yeshua? When were your little unwalled cities of your dominion desolated? When were your heavens blacked out from above as in Jeremiah 4? These things have nothing to do with KJV ONLYism but rather the ultimate and final deliverance of your own body and soul. But when the Son of man comes will he find faith upon the land, that is, your land? OOPS! King Jimmy says that passage says "the earth"! Sorry for your luck. :chuckle:
 

Elia

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According to your own "Holy KJV N.T." Matthew 28:19 says that you also need to be:
"IMMERSED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER"
Which is all of the "Old Testament", (Tanach). :crackup:

Bs"d

This is also in your "holy KJV NT":

"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;"
Matt 23

And this too:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matt 5

But you guys don't listen to your holy KJV NT, and not to your God/messiah/redeemer. Why is that?

Is there something or somebody you guys listen to, or do you make up your religion as you go?

"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!”

Joshua 24:14
 

beameup

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Bs"d

This is also in your "holy KJV NT":

"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;"
Matt 23

Do you even have a "clue" what "sitting in Moses' seat" meant in the 1st century?
I'm certain you don't, as you only know what "reinvented (phony) Judaism" from post-70 A.D. consists of.
You have no clue as to what Judaism practiced or believed prior to God's Judgment of you in 70 A.D. and then his stomping on you, with the boot of Rome, again in 135 A.D.
 
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daqq

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Bs"d

This is also in your "holy KJV NT":

"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;"
Matt 23

And this too:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matt 5

But you guys don't listen to your holy KJV NT, and not to your God/messiah/redeemer. Why is that?

Is there something or somebody you guys listen to, or do you make up your religion as you go?

"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!”

Joshua 24:14

If you had read what I have posted you would not have included me in your comments. Thereby you reveal that you are not here to actually converse with others but rather only to promote your own mindset. You actually have no clue what I believe, (and that is fine with me). :)
 

fzappa13

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If there is any consolation, I know how to "Walk in the Spirit". I'm not a good swimmer, so immersion doesn't sound appealing. Did they keep you down-under too long? I diligently searched Paul's epistles for his teaching on "immerse yourself in his Doctrine-Word?" and "immersed into his Testimony-Doctrine-Word", but couldn't find it.

I did find the following phrases in Paul's Epistles: "live in accordance with the Spirit" "led by the Spirit" (Romans 8); "walk by the Spirit" "led by the Spirit" "live by the Spirit" "keep in step with the Spirit" (Galatians 5) "be filled with the Spirit" Ephesians 5:18 :mario:

Eph 5: 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 

daqq

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Originally Posted by daqq
According to your own "Holy KJV N.T." Matthew 28:19 says that you also need to be:
"IMMERSED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER"
Which is all of the "Old Testament", (Tanach). :crackup:
Bs"d

This is also in your "holy KJV NT":

"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;"
Matt 23

And this too:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matt 5

But you guys don't listen to your holy KJV NT, and not to your God/messiah/redeemer. Why is that?

Is there something or somebody you guys listen to, or do you make up your religion as you go?

"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!”

Joshua 24:14

By the way, you too are in the same boat with the OP of this thread and here is why: you yourself also uphold the Masorete-Khazar Hebrew Text over and above the Septuagint Greek Text which you denigrate as profane and heathen. Therefore you also fall in line with what the KJV translators rendered from when it comes to the Tanach because they also rendered from the Masorete-Khazar Hebrew Text. However the Masorete-Khazar Hebrew Text came a thousand years AFTER the LXX Greek Text which most all of the Apostolic writers commonly quote from. And for this same reason you by default have no choice but to agree with your Khazariy fathers that the Most High "knows evil" because that is what your Masorete-Khazariy fathers inserted into their own version of the Hebrew Text.

Genesis 3:21-23 LXX-Septuagint (Brenton English Translation)
21 And the Lord God [YHWH Elohim] made for Adam and his wife garments of skin, and clothed them.
22
And God [Elohim] said, Behold, Adam is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now lest at any time he stretch forth his hand, and take of the tree of life and eat, and so he shall live forever—
23 So the Lord God [YHWH Elohim] sent him forth out of the garden of Delight to cultivate the ground out of which he was taken.

http://biblehub.com/sep/genesis/3.htm

Genesis 3:21-23 KJV Restored Name (Masorete Hebrew Text)
3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did YHWH Elohim make coats of skins, and clothed them.
3:22
And YHWH Elohim said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
3:23 Therefore YHWH Elohim sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

http://yahushua.net/scriptures/gen3.htm

Who do you suppose is really telling the truth here? Was it the Levite-Jews who rendered the Hebrew Torah into the Greek Septuagint some 250 to 300 years before the advent of Meshiah or was it your non-believing Masorete Khazariy fathers who compiled the Masorete-Khazar Text a thousand years later with a heavy monotheistic bias because of the advent of Meshiah and what fourth century "Christianity" had begun to devolve into? Does your heavenly Father know evil or is it only the Elohim that know evil? My heavenly Father YHWH does not know evil.

:sheep:
 

Jacob

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Gurucam,

The TaNaKh is the Torah (Law), the Nevi'im (Prophets), and the Kethuvim (Writings). This is scripture. With a different order or arrangement to the books we have the Christian Old Testament. With the New Testament we have the rest of the Bible.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB - 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
 

Ben Masada

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"Beware of Tanach bearing people who want to teach Christians." If they come to you, listen to them because they are bringing to you the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism. Besides, Jesus himself said that salvation comes from them. (John 4:2)
 
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