Believe-Pray-Receive

[Squeaky]

Believe You Will Have Them?

Mark 9:23
23 Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes."
Mark 11:24-26
24 "Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
25 "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.
26 "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses."
John 9:31
31 "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him.
I Jn 5:14-15
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.
15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.
James 4:1-8
1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?
2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.
4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
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XXX Believing and praying in vain. If you receive what ever you are praying for, and you receive it against the will of God. That could be a strong delusion from God. Be careful what you pray for and why your praying.


II Th 2:10-12
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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TV Preachers

 

[Squeaky]

Preachers---TV

Matt 24:24
24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matt 23:1-39
1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3 "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
4 "For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 "But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.
6 "They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,
7 "greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8 "But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10 "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
11 "But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 "And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
14 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 "Woe to you, blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.'
17 "Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
18 "And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.'
19 "Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
20 "Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.
21 "He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it.
22 "And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.
26 "Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
28 "Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30 "and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'
31 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32 "Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.
33 "Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
34 "Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
35 "that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36 "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate;
39 "for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!'"
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xxx Do you know which preachers are telling you to do something they are not willing to do?? Are they being the right kind of example???



2 Cor 8:12-15
12 For if there is first a willing mind, it is accepted according to what one has, and not according to what he does not have.
13 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened;
14 but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack-- that there may be equality.
15 As it is written, "He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack."
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1 Cor 4:7
7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?
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Rom 16:18
18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
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1Thes 2:5-6
5 For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness-- God is witness.
6 Nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, when we might have made demands as apostles of Christ.
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Rev 3:17-19
17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'-- and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked--
18 "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
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Believe-Pray-Receive iT.

 

[Epoisses]

Jesus gives good gifts to his children before they ask! Religion is not a transaction it is living by faith and trust. The Roman centurion basically said 'Jesus you take care of everything and I'm good with it'.

 

[Squeaky]

Jesus gives good gifts to his children before they ask! Religion is not a transaction it is living by faith and trust. The Roman centurion basically said 'Jesus you take care of everything and I'm good with it'.

I said
Well if that is what he said he is wrong. You should go back and read that again. What Jesus done was to bring us the Way. We must have the works that Jesus talks about. Your not even Christ's until you have crucified all your emotions. And brought every thought in your mind unto the obedience of the new testament.

Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
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2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
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[Epoisses]

I said
Well if that is what he said he is wrong. You should go back and read that again. What Jesus done was to bring us the Way. We must have the works that Jesus talks about. Your not even Christ's until you have crucified all your emotions. And brought every thought in your mind unto the obedience of the new testament.

Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
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2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
(NKJ)

We belong to Christ when we realize that our works are as worthless as Squeaky's posts. The just shall live by faith alone.

 

[Nang]

We belong to Christ when we realize that our works are as worthless as Squeaky's posts. The just shall live by faith alone.

Such is the foundation of the best Reformed (Calvinist) faith.

Which Reformed beliefs you criticize and ridicule on this site . . .

What are we to make of you?

 

[Epoisses]

Such is the foundation of the best Reformed (Calvinist) faith.

Which Reformed beliefs you criticize and ridicule on this site . . .

What are we to make of you?

I fully admit that Calvinists and Lutherans are the two branches that uphold faith alone theology. I was raised Lutheran so that kind of narrows it down.

 

[Nang]

I fully admit that Calvinists and Lutherans are the two branches that uphold faith alone theology. I was raised Lutheran so that kind of narrows it down.

So why do you denigrate these Reformed beliefs, while employing them to further your theological positions?

 

[Epoisses]

So why do you denigrate these Reformed beliefs, while employing them to further your theological positions?

Because you reject Christ as the savior of the world.

 

[Nang]

Because you reject Christ as the savior of the world.

So if souls are saved by faith alone, but the "world" universally does not possess nor confesses, nor exhibits any faith in God, how can you reconcile the contradiction you present?

 

[Squeaky]

We belong to Christ when we realize that our works are as worthless as Squeaky's posts. The just shall live by faith alone.

I said
You poor misguided deceived soul.

James 3:1-2
1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
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James 4:16-17
16 But now you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil.
17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
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James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
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James 2:21-22
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
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James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
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[Epoisses]

So if souls are saved by faith alone, but the "world" universally does not possess nor confesses, nor exhibits any faith in God, how can you reconcile the contradiction you present?

The world is only saved 'in Christ' they are not saved experientially until conversion. Not everyone comes to repentance especially Calvinists.

 

[Epoisses]

I said
You poor misguided deceived soul.

James 3:1-2
1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
(NKJ)

James 4:16-17
16 But now you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil.
17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
(NKJ)

James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
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James 2:21-22
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
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James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
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We are justified by works of love which show we possess the Holy Spirit. You have the works of the law.

 

[Squeaky]

We are justified by works of love which show we possess the Holy Spirit. You have the works of the law.

I said
Can you even define love with the verses? If you don't keep the law of the new testament you don't love Jesus.

John 14:23-25
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
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John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
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John 14:21
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
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John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
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[Nang]

The world is only saved 'in Christ' they are not saved experientially until conversion. Not everyone comes to repentance especially Calvinists.

Regeneration precedes faith and repentance.

Faith and repentance are gifts from God; not contingencies.

Only by being born again (according to God's will of divine Election) are souls justified and hearts changed. This is the work of God alone; else faith and repentance become works.

 

[Squeaky]

Regeneration precedes faith and repentance.

Faith and repentance are gifts from God; not contingencies.

Only by being born again (according to God's will of divine Election) are souls justified and hearts changed. This is the work of God alone; else faith and repentance become works.

I said
without repentance no one will be part of the election.

Matt 3:8
8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
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Luke 5:32
32 "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."
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2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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[Nang]

I said
without repentance no one will be part of the election.

Matt 3:8
8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
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Luke 5:32
32 "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."
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2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
(NKJ)

Divine Election is the basis for regeneration. Divine Election is unconditional and not contingent upon any human actions or decisions.

Arminians hold the Truth in backward fashion, claiming sinners must DO SOMETHING in order to get saved.

Reformers teach that all of salvation, including the results of faith and repentance in the new Christian life, is from God. Matthew 3:8, Luke 5:32; II Peter 3:9

Sola Deo Gloria!

 

[Squeaky]

Divine Election is the basis for regeneration. Divine Election is unconditional and not contingent upon any human actions or decisions.

Arminians hold the Truth in backward fashion, claiming sinners must DO SOMETHING in order to get saved.

Reformers teach that all of salvation, including the results of faith and repentance in the new Christian life, is from God. Matthew 3:8, Luke 5:32; II Peter 3:9

Sola Deo Gloria!

I said
Someone has lied to you.

 

[Epoisses]

I said
Can you even define love with the verses? If you don't keep the law of the new testament you don't love Jesus.

John 14:23-25
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
(NKJ)

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
(NKJ)

John 14:21
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
(NKJ)

John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(NKJ)

The new commandment is to love and sinners cannot generate this. It comes from God alone.

 

[Epoisses]

Regeneration precedes faith and repentance.

Faith and repentance are gifts from God; not contingencies.

Only by being born again (according to God's will of divine Election) are souls justified and hearts changed. This is the work of God alone; else faith and repentance become works.

I basically agree with this but you have such a narrow view of predestination that you end up rejecting other bible authors most notably John who spoke of Christ as the savior of the world. Jesus died for the goats, non-elect and reprobates which you can't ever admit.