babylon the great

[chrysostom]

babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople

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[chrysostom]

"During the autumn of 1452, Orban set to work at Edirne, casting one of the largest cannons ever built,"

constantinople fell in 1453


Revelation 18:21King James Version (KJV)

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

 

[chrysostom]

Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen

it fell for the first time in 1204

The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople

 

[False Prophet]

Come hither, I will show thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters; Rev 17

The great harlot is Babylon the great. She sits upon many waters which are many peoples, nations, and tongues. She sits upon the beast. The harlot church rides the beast. She is the mother of harlots, because she produces harlots. A double minded man is a harlot. Double minded men bless God, and they curse their neighbors. This is what the harlot church teaches you to do.

The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth: Rev 17:9

Seven mountains would lead you to believe in the seven hills that made up Rome, if you read this during the time it was written. The Roman Empire is what was, is, and is to come. So here is a prediction of the fall and resurrection of the Roman Empire. Anti Christ is not mentioned in Revelation. But its term is so wide spread that I use it because everybody accepts it as doctrine. Harlot Church is not mentioned in Revelation, but because of its wide usage people accept it as doctrine, and it is an offensive term.

And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and is become a habitation of demons, and a hold of every unclean spirit, and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird. Rev 18:2

The abominable church is Babylon the great. The beast will hate the harlot or the abominable church, and the beast will burn the harlot with fire. The abominable church will be left a burnt out heap of rubble. The abominable church becomes a dwelling place of demons. That is what the harlot church is today; a dwelling place of demons!

 

[chrysostom]

it is a city
not a church
the Church is not famous for trade
and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

 

[Livelystone]

it is a city
not a church
the Church is not famous for trade
and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

The harlot church makes merchandise out of people and that is how the harlot church is as you put it "famous for trade".

2 Peter 2
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. ...

 

[chrysostom]

The harlot church makes merchandise out of people and that is how the harlot church is as you put it "famous for trade".

2 Peter 2
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. ...

and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

 

[Livelystone]

and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

The harlot church is already in a "fallen state".

2 Thessalonians 2:3 [Full Chapter]
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


BTW, literal Jerusalem sits on seven hills and is the symbolic head of all of the harlot church.

Jerusalem from above is the head of the true church

Gal. 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 

[chrysostom]

Jerusalem from above is the head of the true church

john saw it come down out of heaven
so
why don't you see that?

Revelation 21:2New International Version (NIV)

2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

The harlot church

The phrase "harlot church" is nowhere in the Bible.

 

[chrysostom]

when the jews were taken to babylon
it was referred to as the

Babylonian captivity

Avignon Papacy

This absence from Rome is sometimes referred to as the "Babylonian Captivity of the Papacy".

so why would constantinople be considered babylon the great?

they did not recognize the supremacy of rome
they believed constantinople to be the head of the christian church
and
constantinople had the military might until 1204 when they fell to the 4th crusade

 

[chrysostom]

one of the key characteristics here
is
mystery 17:7
and
that among other things means
it is not common knowledge
the seven hills of rome was
very few knew constantinople had seven hills
and
it only had six until one of the emperors added the seventh to fulfill prophecy
now
that is still a mystery

 

[chrysostom]

it was theodosius 2 that extended the walls to include the seventh hill early in the fifth century thus making
constantinople the city of seven hills

the walls defended the christian city for a thousand years
it would take the biggest cannon to bring them down

walls of constantinople

 

[chrysostom]

Revelation 18:21 (KJV)

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.



you can't find constantinople

 

[chrysostom]

constantinople is the piece that connects all the other pieces

the thousand years
the first beast
the second beast
the seven heads
the ten horns
the two witnesses

 

[JosephR]

constantinople is the piece that connects all the other pieces

the thousand years
the first beast
the second beast
the seven heads
the ten horns
the two witnesses

Is He the harlot?
opps im sorry I thought it said Constantine.

 

[chrysostom]

Is He the harlot?
opps im sorry I thought it said Constantine.

there are only six passages that clearly state

it is a city

 

[chrysostom]

Is He the harlot?
opps im sorry I thought it said Constantine.

so why is he hated so much?

 

[Hearmyvoice]

babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople

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the apocalypse

1. Waters are...peoples, multitudes, nations, tongues where the whore sitteth. [Rev.17:15]

2. Mystery #3466.....hidden thing, secret, mystery generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals, a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding a hidden purpose or counsel

3. Seven (hills) Mountains are "seven heads." What are the heads for they are the mountains....Biblical mountains are nations or continents...the seven continents or THE WORLD.

4. Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird......she/Babylon is presently in her fallen state. Who is she? She is worldwide for God's people are worldwide as He asks us to "come out of her My people" [18:4]...so we know that she is NOT one geographical location. She is that "great city, mighty city" but she is NOT a literal city...nor is she one religion.

5. Famous for trade.....What does this "city" trade? Gold, silver, precious stones, etc....ALL ARE SYMBOLIC OF PEOPLE. The merchants buy and sell people and their souls...."and souls of men." [18:13] Who are these merchants affiliated with? Who can "buy and sell?"

6. Can be found no more....That is future! Babylon presently is in her fallen state but before long will be "found no more."

She is not a literal city, literal whore, literally draped in pearls and linen, etc. She is all religions, world wide, filled with merchants buying and selling the souls of men.

 

[chrysostom]

She is that "great city, mighty city" but she is NOT a literal city..

what would the bible say
if
she were a city?


Revelation 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
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Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
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Revelation 18:16
And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
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Revelation 18:18
And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
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Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
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Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.