Another tally of anti-trinitarian threads

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marke

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Mixed_Brown said:
I don't often comment in threads. I mainly just follow to see individuals best arguments.
I saw both NWL and Pierac's comments about the standard of argumentation on TOL being very low. My observation is that for a while now individuals have expressed mainly emotional arguments rather than rational ones based on evidence. Or they just avoid difficult discussions and just assert that what they believe is correct.

I have to say after reading right divider poor arguments (which are just assertions), and Trump girls childish responses, as well as others, I can't help agreeing that TOL has hit all time low.

Does anyone know any sites or forums where real debates on the Trinity and other subjects are still happening?

Or trinitarians, do you not know anyone who is well versed in scripture who you can encourage to come and give a biblical defense for your beliefs?
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Poor Bible students end up lost in a field of errors because they try too hard to makes sense of God. God is like the image we see in Ezekiel 1 - He cannot be comprehended by human intellect. Of course Jesus is God. That cannot be denied. Of course He is the Son of God. That also cannot be denied. What does that mean? Of course He is both God and man.
 
Lon

Lon

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marke said:
Poor Bible students end up lost in a field of errors because they try too hard to makes sense of God. God is like the image we see in Ezekiel 1 - He cannot be comprehended by human intellect. Of course Jesus is God. That cannot be denied. Of course He is the Son of God. That also cannot be denied. What does that mean? Of course He is both God and man.
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Ezekiel's image is talking about His attributes, so not THAT hard to grasp what Ezekiel is saying. That said, Mixed_Brown wasn't being genuine, just rattling off a Unitarian commercial. His assessment couldn't possibly be true because I'd read the answers in thread. Judge Rightly had done a very good job using scriptures to that point. Mixed_Brown was either inept, ignorant, and or dishonest on that post.
 
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marke

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Lon said:
Ezekiel's image is talking about His attributes, so not THAT hard to grasp what Ezekiel is saying. That said, Mixed_Brown wasn't being genuine, just rattling off a Unitarian commercial. His assessment couldn't possibly be true because I'd read the answers in thread. Judge Rightly had done a very good job using scriptures to that point. Mixed_Brown was either inept, ignorant, and or dishonest on that post.
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Here is how John saw what Jesus looked like:


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9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
 
7djengo7

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marhig said:
Jesus himself says that the father is the only true God, that means that he himself isn't.
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When you say "Jesus isn't God," by your word, "God," are you referring to the Father? Yes or No?

  • If, by your word, "God," you are referring to the Father, then this is what you are telling us: "Jesus isn't [the Father]." Observe that, if you are telling us that the Son, Jesus, is not the Father, you are therein failing to attack the Trinity; rather, you're merely preaching to the Trinitarian choir, since it is a tenet of Trinitarianism that the Son is not the Father.
  • If, by your word, "God," you are not referring to the Father, then to whom are you referring to by it?

Also, in the passage to which you are referring (John 17:3), which of these, two things is what Jesus says to the Father, and which of them does He not say?

  1. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
  2. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only person who is the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Correct answer: Jesus says #1, and He never says #2. But anti-Trinitarians would like Jesus to mean something He never says.
 
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marke

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marhig said:
Jesus himself says that the father is the only true God, that means that he himself isn't. And Jesus also said the father is his God and that he is greater than he. If the father is the only true God according to Jesus, and he is the God of Jesus and greater than him then Jesus can't be God!

And yes God is in Christ but Christ isn't God. It says in the Bible that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. But that's totally different to Christ is God. And Paul says that the head of Christ is God. So Christ Jesus isn't God.
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If Jesus is not God then what good is He?

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If Jesus is not God then He is not the Savior.

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

If Jesus is not God then God did not create the world.

  1. John 1:3
    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
  2. John 1:10
    He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
 
Right Divider

Right Divider

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Idolater said:
(This is just out of an abundance of caution, just so everybody knows and that it is perfectly clear, this post, this user, is NOT me. I've been staying away, working on whether or not Hebrews confirms that Christ fulfilled the day of Atonement or Yom Kippur, and I certainly did NOT come back here and vandalize the place. If I could I'd take care of this garbage myself, but I at least have to defend my honor here since I've been away just happens to be, recently.)
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You claimed, more than once, that it did... and now you're not sure.

You should be far more careful with your claims.
 
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