Interplanner
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My main appeal to 2P2P is to stop imagining things.
1, when reading Rom 11, stop imagining a Davidic theocracy re-established on earth. The passage is not about that; it is never lurking behind any keywords etc. Ch 11 wants Jewish people to be part of the Christian mission.
The quote of Isaiah is treated as already fulfilled, which I know is painful to your minds about the new covenant. It 'reads' as though future because of the profound fact that Paul was in Isaiah's future. But it is not about ours, not when all of its features are in operation since Christ.
'Saved' in Romans, in these chapters, is never about a future Davidic theocracy re-established on earth. It is about justification from sins. The true 'Israel' he has been talking about (when not speaking about the ethne's general unbelief) will be justified from their sins!
2, when reading Heb 8 and 10 on the new covenant, stop imagining a Davidic theocracy re-established on this earth. They don't know anything about it. There is the NHNE, and if you mean that, fine. But most of what I hear is this confusing stuff where a short reign, quite flawed, is supposed to happen on earth, only to collapse and be redone anyway. this is apparently 'repayment' for years lost to locusts, but not 1828 years lost later, which is insulting to Jews everywhere, but qualifies as 'sensible' to several 2P2P folks.
3, when reading Acts 1, stop imagining that a Davidic theocracy almost got set up then. It is quite clear that what was supposed to take place is what did take place. If you mean the final judgement of God was hanging close, I would have to agree, but it has been delayed, and that delay is actually something after the destruction of Jerusalem since Christ gave a 'clock' in Lk 23:29 (babies nursing when he said that would be adults at the DofJ). A generation was given to Israel to join the Christian mission, with the unique warning of total destruction and disinheritance, Acts 3:23.
Paul tried to make a similar warning in ch 26's hearing saying that the things Israel was seeking by continuing the worship system day and night were to be found in the resurrection of Christ and already present for the taking. That is not imaginary.
4, Hebrews says Christ is the fulfillment of the day of atonement, so stop imagining there is some schedule of 'feasts' to fulfill that. Yes, there is the final day of judgement of the whole earth. I don't know if a 'feast' symbolizes that or not. It would also make sense that there was a symbol of the 2nd DofJ because that was a major event for Israel. That is not imaginary. It is the 'fulfillment of wrath of all that is written' says Lk 21.
1, when reading Rom 11, stop imagining a Davidic theocracy re-established on earth. The passage is not about that; it is never lurking behind any keywords etc. Ch 11 wants Jewish people to be part of the Christian mission.
The quote of Isaiah is treated as already fulfilled, which I know is painful to your minds about the new covenant. It 'reads' as though future because of the profound fact that Paul was in Isaiah's future. But it is not about ours, not when all of its features are in operation since Christ.
'Saved' in Romans, in these chapters, is never about a future Davidic theocracy re-established on earth. It is about justification from sins. The true 'Israel' he has been talking about (when not speaking about the ethne's general unbelief) will be justified from their sins!
2, when reading Heb 8 and 10 on the new covenant, stop imagining a Davidic theocracy re-established on this earth. They don't know anything about it. There is the NHNE, and if you mean that, fine. But most of what I hear is this confusing stuff where a short reign, quite flawed, is supposed to happen on earth, only to collapse and be redone anyway. this is apparently 'repayment' for years lost to locusts, but not 1828 years lost later, which is insulting to Jews everywhere, but qualifies as 'sensible' to several 2P2P folks.
3, when reading Acts 1, stop imagining that a Davidic theocracy almost got set up then. It is quite clear that what was supposed to take place is what did take place. If you mean the final judgement of God was hanging close, I would have to agree, but it has been delayed, and that delay is actually something after the destruction of Jerusalem since Christ gave a 'clock' in Lk 23:29 (babies nursing when he said that would be adults at the DofJ). A generation was given to Israel to join the Christian mission, with the unique warning of total destruction and disinheritance, Acts 3:23.
Paul tried to make a similar warning in ch 26's hearing saying that the things Israel was seeking by continuing the worship system day and night were to be found in the resurrection of Christ and already present for the taking. That is not imaginary.
4, Hebrews says Christ is the fulfillment of the day of atonement, so stop imagining there is some schedule of 'feasts' to fulfill that. Yes, there is the final day of judgement of the whole earth. I don't know if a 'feast' symbolizes that or not. It would also make sense that there was a symbol of the 2nd DofJ because that was a major event for Israel. That is not imaginary. It is the 'fulfillment of wrath of all that is written' says Lk 21.
