An Apologist For Putin

[ok doser]

I wrote this the other day, in another thread ( :duh: ), in response to jonah's detailing of why putin is an evil man and russia isn't our friend:

Russia's been operating under their current constitution for 25 years

What did we have to brag about in 1814? Slavery?


Russia had 75 years of a brutally repressive dictatorship immediately before 1993, in a spectacularly failed attempt to make communism/Marxism/socialism work. And before that, a century of turmoil and revolt that ended in the execution of their emperor and the dissolution of their colonial empire.

and don't overlook the fact that their insane leader murdered or allowed to die some 20 million of his fellow "comrades" and that they suffered another 20 million or so deaths during WW2



We had eight years of the revolutionary war, preceded by periodic skirmishes with the French and Indians and Spanish over who was going to control the continent.


Considering where they've come from, considering their history - not just the bad stuff in the past 170 years, but the history they have to be proud of, when they were a respected, strong nation/empire - i'd say they've come a long way - they'll never be a carbon copy of western democracies, they'll always be unpredictable and prone to act in their own best interests, and they'll always be apt to stumble clumsily when performing functions that we and the French and the british have learned to do discretely (like murdering spies and dealing with political opponents) - there's a reason their symbol is the bear - and it isn't because the bear is a graceful ballerina - it's a great lumbering beast that acts unpredictably and roars and makes a lot of noise so the world remembers that it's dangerous


but they're coming back to the Russia that was a world player back in the pre-revolutionary period - a Russia you could make deals with, a Russia that was an integral player in eastern Europe and central Europe


it would be folly to think that they don't have a role to play in the future in the creation of whatever takes form in the next decades/century in their own back yard

and while i wrote this with europe in mind, it's worth remembering that they have the biggest backyard in the neighborhood- and that one of their neighbors is China. Another is Japan. And North Korea. And us.

 

[ok doser]

it occurred to me that an examination of putin, the inevitability of a man like him in power in post-soviet russia and what it means for the US might be worth while (if not juicy )





wanted to get this out there, but it's after midnight here and I need to take a quick rinse in the river 'cause i'm gross from trenching clay and stone all day

so I'll be back :wave2:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I wrote this the other day, in another thread ( :duh: ), in response to jonah's detailing of why putin is an evil man and russia isn't our friend:

Are you referring to this post? If so, is that considered "detailing"?
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ace-a-chance&p=5260078&viewfull=1#post5260078

Here's the current Russian Constitution:

http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-03.htm

Tell us what's so great about it.

Regarding Putin:

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

Does the word "tyrant" come to mind when reading about the atrocities he's responsible for?

 

[ok doser]

test

 

[ok doser]

Here's the current Russian Constitution:



Tell us what's so great about it.

considering where they came from, this one is a huge step forward:

Article 21
2. No one shall be subject to torture, violence or other severe or humiliating treatment or punishment. No one may be subject to medical, scientific and other experiments without voluntary consent.

Regarding Putin:

Does the word "tyrant" come to mind when reading about the atrocities he's responsible for?

sure it does

just like andrew jackson

 

[aCultureWarrior]

considering where they came from, this one is a huge step forward:

The words "international law" should be a grave concern to sovereign loving Americans, as it comes from the godless United nations.

Article 17
1. In the Russian Federation recognition and guarantees shall be provided for the rights and freedoms of man and citizen according to the universally recognized principles and norms of international law and according to the present Constitution.

http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/international-law-and-justice/index.html

sure it does

just like andrew jackson

Did ok doser just compare the mass murdering former Colonel of the KGB and current President of Russia with the 7th President of the United States?

Make your case.

Oh wait, an 8th grade class in Seattle WA already did.

http://kbrooks.thevilla.org/2013/02...kson-found-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity/

 

[ok doser]

The words "international law" should be a grave concern to sovereign loving Americans

americans should be gravely concerned by the words "international law" in the russian constitution?

seems pretty silly to me, but if you want to, go ahead

in fact you can be twice as gravely concerned to make up for my "don't give a crap :idunno: "

Did ok doser just compare the mass murdering former Colonel of the KGB and current President of Russia with the 7th President of the United States?

only in the context of your statement that i was responding to, regarding "tyrant" and "atrocities"

 

[aCultureWarrior]

americans should be gravely concerned by the words "international law" in the russian constitution?

seems pretty silly to me, but if you want to, go ahead

in fact you can be twice as gravely concerned to make up for my "don't give a crap :idunno: "

You're the one that started a thread giving accolades to a Constitution which is based on godless United Nations doctrine, not me.

only in the context of your statement that i was responding to, regarding "tyrant" and "atrocities"

Because you're of American Indian descent (what a coincidence, so is musterion and Patrick jane), this topic is without a doubt sensitive to you.

Back in the founding days, former Presidents wanted the American Indian to assimilate into American culture, in fact they used the word "acculturation".

"... acculturation was originally proposed by George Washington and was well under way among the Cherokee and Choctaw by the turn of the 19th century.[9] In an effort to assimilate with American culture, Indians were encouraged to "convert to Christianity; learn to speak and read English; and adopt European-style economic practices such as the individual ownership of land and other property..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acculturation

While some did, unfortunately most didn't. Hence what we have today.

 

[ok doser]

You're the one that started a thread giving accolades...

nope

that only happened in your imagination

Because you're of American Indian descent

nope


wanna try again?