A Saviour unto Israel

[beloved57]

In Rom 2:28-29 Paul is basically saying that jewish ethnicity and circumcision is worthless spiritually, those things dont make you a Jew God Favors, they are irrelevant in regards to Salvation ! What matters is being born again and belonging to Christ, being circumcised by Him in the New Birth.

 

[marke]

A True scriptural Jew under the New Covenant is a Born Again Believer, regardless of ethnicity Rom 2:28-29

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Circumcision of the Heart constitutes a Spiritual Jew, a Circumcision by the Spirit in the Name of Christ Col 2:11


In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

And So if you belong to Christ Paul writes Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Calvinists believe God loves them and chose them and hates everyone else. They are like Muslims in that regard.

 

[beloved57]

A True Jew and belonging to the Israel of God, Gods True Spiritual people is one inwardly. Rom 2:29

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This Jew isn't restricted to any one ethnicity either, they are found amongst all nationalities!

 

[JudgeRightly]

A True Jew and belonging to the Israel of God, Gods True Spiritual people is one inwardly. Rom 2:29

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This Jew isn't restricted to any one ethnicity either, they are found amongst all nationalities!

Talk about confirmation bias...

 

[beloved57]

(Rom 9:6-8) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: {7} Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. {8} That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

In these scriptures, God is making a definite difference between physical and spiritual Israel. He is giving us clear indication that the blessed Israel is the spiritual Israel .Just because one is a physical Jew of national Israel, this does not give him a special status with God. Those who have special status before God are Spiritual jews/Israel who receive the circumcision of Christ in the New Birth Col 2:11

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Christ circumcises with the new birth those who are His Spiritual Seed. Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

 

[beloved57]

Rom 9: 7 - God tells us that just because the nation of Israel descended from Abraham, does not make them the children of promise. What is the promise? The seed of Abraham came through the lineage of Isaac. The seed in view here is the Lord Jesus Christ. God is not merely saying that the chosen people will not come through Ishmael. The Arab nation being another descendant of Abraham is not the issue here, but God is making a distinction between the physical and spiritual aspects of Israel.

Isaac as a child of promise pictures Christ the spiritual seed of Abraham, and through him God produces Abrahams spiritual seed.

 

[beloved57]

Rom 9: 8 - Those of the nation of Israel who are not born again are not the children of promise or of God, but the children of promise are those who are born again. The promise being the coming of Jesus Christ and those who are in Him are the heirs of the promise and giving of eternal inheritance being heirs of God and Joint heirs of Jesus Christ.

 

[beloved57]

Rom 11:26

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The "all Israel" that God has in view for salvation is not national Israel but it is the finish of the body of Christ at the last day.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Rom 11:26

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

AMEN! Believing AND the (formerly (at that point)) UNBELIEVING Israel shall be saved!

The "all Israel" that God has in view for salvation is not national Israel

Yes it is.

but it is the finish of the body of Christ at the last day.

Nope, the Body of Christ is not Israel.

 

[beloved57]

jr

The "all Israel" that God has in view for salvation is not national Israel

Yes it is.

No its not, Paul says of national israel Rom 9:27

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Only a remnant of that nation shall be saved !

Do you know what a remnant is ?

 

[JudgeRightly]

jr

If you don't quote my post using the quote button, I will not be notified of you quoting me.

No its not, Paul says of national israel

Yes, it IS national Israel.

Rom 9:27

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

And? The remnant is talking about the portion of Israel that was NOT cut off at Paul's conversion (See Romans 11). That is known as the Remnant, the ones who remain from the cutting off of the unbelieving Jews.

"Concerning ISRAEL... the children of Israel... a remnant"

He literally says it's about Israel. In order for it to say anything OTHER than "Israel," you have to read your a priori beliefs into the text, which I KNOW you so badly want to do. But the text doesn't allow for it.

Only a remnant of that nation shall be saved!

Yes, the Remnant that believed during the year after Christ's DBR/ascension and before Paul's conversion. That is the Remnant that shall be saved.

Do you know what a remnant is ?

Supra.

You clearly don't know what it's referring to.

 

[beloved57]

Blindness in part ! Rom 11:25-26

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

All Israel shall be saved, but not all national israel, only a remnant of that nation will be saved Rom 9:27

Rom 9:27

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

So how can this promise that God shall save all Israel be fulfilled Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Well it had been a Mystery how this would occur. It would come to pass by God calling some Gentiles into Salvation

that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

This blindness continues until the fulness of the Gentiles come in, that is, when all the Gentiles in the world that God Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 becomes saved, then in verse 26 it states that all Israel will be saved.

So its in this manner all Israel shall be saved

A combination of elect jews and elect gentiles constitute the All Israel God promised to save. Its the Church, the Body of Christ !

 

[JudgeRightly]

Well it had been a Mystery how this would occur. It would come to pass by God calling some Gentiles into Salvation

. . .

This blindness continues until the fulness of the Gentiles come in, that is, when all the Gentiles in the world that God Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 becomes saved, then in verse 26 it states that all Israel will be saved.

So its in this manner all Israel shall be saved

A combination of elect jews and elect gentiles constitute the All Israel God promised to save. Its the Church, the Body of Christ !

Sorry, but Paul isn't talking about Gentiles when He says Israel. Proselytes, perhaps, but not Gentiles, and certainly not the Body of Christ, in which there is NEITHER Jew nor Gentile.

 

[beloved57]

Sorry, but Paul isn't talking about Gentiles when He says Israel. Proselytes, perhaps, but not Gentiles, and certainly not the Body of Christ, in which there is NEITHER Jew nor Gentile.

Its still a mystery to you !

 

[JudgeRightly]

Its still a mystery to you !

As if your assertion has any value whatsoever...

All you have is one-liners that never address the things which challenge your assertions.

 

[beloved57]

The Third Temple,

Many are deceived into thinking that a Third Temple will be built in jerusalem for God to dwell in forever. 1 Kgs 8:13

13 I have surely built thee an house to dwell in, a settled place for thee to abide in for ever.

However Christ is building the Temple that God will be in forever Zech 6:12-13

And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

This Temple the Branch will build is His Church Matt 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The Temple is Spiritual that God will dwell in forever, its the church of the Living God. Lets look at some scripture:

Eph 2:19-22

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[beloved57]

Speaking of the Church, Paul writes:

1 Cor 3:16-17

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

In Vs 17 Temple has the definite article, I dentifying it as Gods one and unique Temple.