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CherubRam

CherubRam

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After the Las Vegas shooting people call for ban on guns.

If you take away everyone's gun, then people will resort to home made guns and bombs.

The real problem is the people in the world.
 
Angel4Truth

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CherubRam said:
After the Las Vegas shooting people call for ban on guns.

If you take away everyone's gun, then people will resort to home made guns and bombs.

The real problem is the people in the world.
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yep.

Idiots like David Letterman blame it on white privilege (the hasbeen looking for attention and a way to stay relevant) :

David Letterman
(@DavidLetternan)
"Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was NOT a “lone wolf”, he was NOT “mentally ill”, he was a TERRORIST. End white privilege today."

He also saying ban all guns now. Surely bombs and cars and other things cant kill mass numbers of people, liberals are morons.

The man in question, owed the casino tons of money. His father was on the fbis most wanted list, and his father was very mentally ill, which is often hereditary, and he clearly was as well.
 
CherubRam

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Angel4Truth said:
yep.

Idiots like David Letterman blame it on white privilege (the hasbeen looking for attention and a way to stay relevant) :

David Letterman
(@DavidLetternan)
"Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was NOT a “lone wolf”, he was NOT “mentally ill”, he was a TERRORIST. End white privilege today."

He also saying ban all guns now. Surely bombs and cars and other things cant kill mass numbers of people, liberals are morons.

The man in question, owed the casino tons of money. His father was on the fbis most wanted list, and his father was very mentally ill, which is often hereditary, and he clearly was as well.
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I think the liberals mean well, they just do not know what else to say or do.

Liberals are morons. I do not think they can help it.
 
Angel4Truth

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CherubRam said:
I think the liberals mean well, they just do not know what else to say or do.

Liberals are morons. I do not think they can help it.
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How can a man who made millions just talking to people, whine about white privilege when hes white himself, not know hes dowsing a fire with gasoline?

Whats the answer, hang all us white crackers and make us slaves? Race had nothing to do with this, or there wouldn't be a dead white person in the crowd. Liberals are desperate nuts and shameful.

David letterman needs to go live in detroit and birmingham and st louis and memphis and tell us about his white privledge from the inner city.

His response should be concerned for the injured, and not just the black ones.
 
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jeffblue101

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according to wsj(paywall) shooter had one fully automatic rifle with him. If it was legally bought than that demonstrates that background checks are useless against mass shooters who want to commit evil
 
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jeffblue101

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/did-l...k-use-a-fully-automatic-rifle/article/2009907
But nestled in the FOPA bill was a restriction on the sale to civilians of full-auto weapons. These firearms could still be made by weapons companies, but they could be sold only to military units or law enforcement agencies.

What that means is that there are now zero full-auto weapons available for private purchase that were made after 1986. This supply issue has put a premium on the price, with costs ranging well into the $20,000 realm.

You may hear about so-called “full auto kits” that can convert a semi-automatic rifle into a full-auto one. Such kits do exist, but they fall under the same machine gun restrictions from the 1986 FOPA bill—meaning that the only people allowed by law to install those parts are those licensed by the ATF as machine gun manufacturers—and those firearms may not be sold to anyone other than a military or law enforcement agency.

The contention, if true, that the Las Vegas shooter used a full-auto firearm in his crime makes the act even more mind boggling than other tragic mass shootings. It means that the shooter somehow had access to extraordinarily rare and difficult-to-obtain weapons.
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Foxfire

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Angel4Truth said:
One hell bent on evil doesn't need a gun.
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jeffblue101 said:
according to wsj(paywall) shooter had one fully automatic rifle with him. If it was legally bought than that demonstrates that background checks are useless against mass shooters who want to commit evil
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He was a pilot that owned 2 airplanes. He could just as easily have flown one of them into the crowd and inflicted ten times more casualties.
 
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jeffblue101

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/i...cult-and-especially-expensive/article/2636302
Have a clean record: Before buying a fully-automatic weapon, a person must pay a $200-dollar tax and register an application with the federal government. That means filling out a 12-page application, submitting fingerprints, and sending photos to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Are you a felon? Are you or have you ever been committed to a mental institution? Are you a domestic abuser? Then good luck getting approval. Other than a few parking tickets, are you a citizen in good standing? Also, good luck getting approval. A record of civic responsibility isn't a guarantee of immediate approved. Click here to read the entire application and click here to read the accompanying questionnaire.

Have a lot of patience: Every application apparently varies but the average time seems to be between 9 months and a year. The good folks at the ATF take their time because they make certain that applicants dot their I's cross their T's and are considered safe and responsible to own the fully automatic firearm.

Abide by local, state, and federal gun regulations: Assuming one has the record and the patience to pass the background check along with the actual cash to purchase the firearm, that person now finds themselves subject to a host of new regulations.

As the Free Beacon's Gutowski explains, the ATF registers the new fully-automatic gun owner. They notify local law enforcement of the name and address of the person who owns the firearm. And they strictly regulate the transportation of these weapons. If a civilian wants to cross state lines with their new purchase (say to attend the Big Sandy machine gun shoot in Arizona), they'll have to apply for permission.
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Angel4Truth

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drbrumley said:
ISIS claims responsibility? Really?
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http://thehill.com/policy/national-...rts-puzzled-by-isis-claim-in-las-vegas-attack

...So far, there is no evidence that ISIS was involved beyond the group’s own assurance that Paddock was “a soldier of the Caliphate.” The group later doubled down on its claim, saying Paddock converted to Islam months ago....Historically, ISIS has not been arbitrary in the attacks it claims have been carried out by its supporters. Experts who track the group closely say that when it comes to attacks in the West, if ISIS is claiming responsibility, there typically was some kind of connection between the perpetrator and the group.

The group does often claim responsibility for attacks that may have been merely inspired by the group’s ideology — not directed or funded by ISIS leadership. In either case, the group will credit “a soldier of the Caliphate.”...
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jeffblue101

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drbrumley said:
ISIS claims responsibility? Really?
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/isis-claims-vegas-shooting-without-any-evidence
The Federal Bureau of Investigations on Monday announced that they’ve discovered no connections between suspected Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock and the Islamic State. “We have determined to this point no connection with the international terrorist group,” said the FBI special agent in charge of the Las Vegas investigation. “We will continue to work with our partners to ensure that this is factually, thoroughly, and absolutely investigated to be able to bring comfort and peace back to this community.” Without providing even a shred of evidence, ISIS claimed responsibility for Sunday night’s mass shooting in Las Vegas that killed at least 50 people and injured hundreds of others. Without naming Paddock, the terror organization said in a statement, via its news agency, that he “executed the operation in response to calls to target countries of the coalition.” In recent months, ISIS has claimed some attacks that were ultimately unrelated to their group: For example, the group claimed responsibility for a deadly attack on a Philippines casino that later turned out to have been perpetrated for financial motivations by a debt-ridden former public servant.
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that's how you know ISIS is evil, that they would claim this scumbag as their own.
 
This Charming Manc

This Charming Manc

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First all, thoughts, prayers and condolences to those hurt, their families and all my friends over there in the states.

Today's a day when us Brits see this on the news we are shocked and saddened and many ask the questions. "Why don't they get this? How many times does have to happen for it to shrink in?"

Even though i'm unrepentant raging gun control advocate with you guys. I do listen and hear your position and your arguments.

I talk about the link the constitution makes between freedom and gun ownership. I talk about Americans wanting to take personal responsibility for there families safety. I can relay the fear of armed criminal elements in society and people not wanting to face that unarmed.

But after doing that I look at the stats again, I look at the news again, I see the pictures, I then think about the thousands of Americans who die every year, who probably wouldn't die if they lived in a country with better gun laws, and I have to be that 'stoopid' liberal voice.

A few perceptions from someone out of the situation who doesn't really have an axe to grind, but feels he needs to speak the truth as he sees it to friends.

  • Thousands of Americans suffer directly and indirectly every year from gun crime that they would not suffer if they lived in a country with European style gun laws.
  • The basic freedoms shared by people in Europe are Similar to those in the states even though we don't high levels of gun ownership
  • The Levels of other violent crime are broadly similar so we don't see gun violence transfer to the use of cars, bombs and knives taking anywhere near the numbers of lives guns take in the US, those things happen but at similar rates to the US.
  • We've had a bad year in terms of terrorist attacks with bombs and vehicles used in Europe, real bad, you've probably seen the news. But ball parking it america still see's 50 gun deaths for every terrorist associated death in the Europe. (about 200 to 10,000, real ball parked figures)
  • Incidents like today's thought they grab the news, its just the tip of the iceberg. For every person killed today 100 to 300 more Americans will die this year by guns dependent on how you want to read the stats.

I hope everyone here and their loved ones are well, and hope these perceptions at least make you think. I know it is not a popular view in these parts, but it need saying.
 
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