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Pantheism isn't the topic here, but rather pan-en-theism. Clete, note from the previous link that there is much controversy over the term and usage, especially, especially between Christians and Greeks as per the second link. My embrace is only so far as we are in God and He in us...

We are informed by scriptures. The Bereans were more noble because they searched if these things were true. Such requires making proper sense of the text. Agree. A very good biblical hermenuetic. This however conflates contextual understanding. I do go back and re-ask questions...

Pantheism, not pan-en-theism. Not panentheism, pantheism. See here on the difference Needs more study, there is a confusion addressed that is mostly against pantheism, not panentheism here. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself...

Starting with a simple verse: Revelation 16:17 Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty (παντοκράτωρ), true and righteous are thy judgments. Almighty Pas (all - omni in English) and κράτος (Dominion, power, and sovereignty - Potent). If we...

I don't isolate the book. To me, that is a bit too far the other direction. When I've read Samuel, this is what I've recognized. Granted a minor disagreement. It is a thought. If so, that will be okay. At present I don't see it but it has good points to consider and has helped hone what...

He was saying the problem of prayer was thousands of opposing prayers. My point: Nobody prays for cancer to take someone, thus all/most prayer is in accord. I believe his point was that God hears opposing prayers and I was saying that it seems a faulty premise. Thanks for asking.

🆙 "Dang it!" (I tried, failed - was trying to intimate that all we are is 'created.' How do I know this? What 'can' be put there that God didn't intend? Note that it is my position that sin is an absence and breaking. We certainly are different than intent from Genesis givens. Sin is...

Agree. The Wheat/Tares analogy is where my mind went back: Matthew 13:28 ...He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30...

I pared to here. It cannot be. We ARE created. All the information in you and me is written by God. Perhaps we are not yet tracking on analogy (not intending Metaphor because I don't know a lot about how we are created). The point is that 'like' a computer program, there is nothing...

Let me say, I'm not exactly Mid Acts, just that I've read quite a bit to this point and have good number of agreements. Point being, you may not be asking the right guy but a middle man may suffice. The divisions come from the changes in venue between Jews and gentiles in Acts and Paul's...

Agree. Why then the thought of 'robot?' Everything I am, even with the errors after sin, is there, whacked, but there because God made me. Sin is a 'messing' with what He created. Yes. I have the same ideology but try to recognize that I'm not an independent. I'm dependent which keeps...

They must of (if you follow a moment): They were told not to eat of the tree in the garden (implied choice).

Again, that was 25 years ago. You and I are alike on the sentiment but... Emotions are life's indicators, like dashboard lights on your car. They are fine and work, if faulty at times but you have to get into the engine to know what's going on. God included feelings in our package so I'd...

Are you including that God created everything else as well, all those extra inputs? I'm not bothered about being a creation but appreciate God for what I have and the sense that I'm able to appreciate. I was made this way, nothing lacking in that.

It was mysterious to me at one time as well. It comes from the 'way' one reads the scriptures and with certain filters in mind, involved. "Born again" was something akin to 'born of the Spirit' today in scope, but they are saying that the passage has a narrower scope: Nicodemus and...

So they didn't love before they sinned??? "We love 'because' He first loved us." LOVE makes love. "Waffle?" Nope. You are deifying yourself if you think you 'created' love. God did. If you have it, God made it. Why? I get the knee-jerk that you have to 'freely choose it' but it...

You know more about alchemy, and that not as much as you think, than you do the scriptures. It is a force upon the text. It is wrongheaded. There are books on #'s, patterns, and alchemy, they are incorrect. He told you: if it agrees with the context, well and fine if extrapolated and...

Understand your contention, but 'good' is in the eye of the Omni. Whatever He made would be 'good' in the sense that it reflects the perfect will of the Omnipotent because it'd follow His being and rules. What we call 'good' is a reflection of His values and intent, thus leads to...

Questions are to elicit answers from another's perspective. Of course I don't understand per say, hence...questions. This discussion is to 'help' me understand and hopefully give the other side's concerns. Let me float it this way: Almost all of us believe Omni. Enter an Open Theist...

Nor then, by extension, Omnicompetent if you follow the links and logic. Again, this does not mean omnicompetent then? Does Open Theism mean in the context of omnicompetent, He cannot lose unless He is competent to allow such? How is this not all-powerful, all-knowledgeable, and sovereign...