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Lon, thanks for the thoughtful commenting. This thread was starting to feel like Twitter. I'm not well versed in the finer points of the predestination position, so without some study I'd likely get cornered debating it. I've taken the position that "if God knows my destiny, then the answer is...

Isn't the crux of the debate whether or not God lives "inside or outside of time"? If there is a common timeline (which is my assertion, yours too I believe), that implies that God lives in time and can relate to us directly. God does not live in the future, nor the past, nor all times at once...

Stripe, you should have highlighted all of it. The common timeline does not preclude varying amounts of time at different reference points (due to Gravity or Speed differences). They are distinct concepts.

No, I said there was only a single timeline. My original post made the distinction.

No, it is a good analogy. Both the astronaut and the atomic clock experience the same time elongation with higher speed or stronger gravity. Please note that I am in no way suggesting multiple timelines with respect to a stationary object.

Yeah, that's always confused me. A stationary astronaut (in weightlessness) experiences more time (grows older faster), but if moving at high speed experiences less time. Different kinds of dilation. By clock, I mean body processes of course (heartbeat, metabolism, cell growth/decay).

Hi Stripe, thanks for the welcome! Yes, I can explain. At the summit, I have experienced an additional day which was spread out over the eons (my body and it's processes, just like the clock that is with me), so I am truly a day "older" than the custodian at the base. BTW, I am in agreement...

If I were the summit clock custodian, compared to the base custodian I would have cumulatively experienced one more clock day over the eons. Like the summit clock, I would have gained a day. In this way, people are clocks too. Even with this gain, I would have experienced the same number of...

Hi Bob, I love the theory and would not be surprised at all if the observer's frame of reference results in a variation in "c" for incoming versus outgoing light. The paradox would not be any more counter-intuitive than Einstein's frame-of-reference (train) thought experiments. I have an...