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  1. Clete

    What Happens to the Severely Backslidden Christian?

    Saying it doesn't make it so. I explained why yours is unfalsifiable. My position I have established biblical and rationally. FUNCTIONALLY!!! Look up the term. Call me a liar again, RD. In fact, no need. Why should I treat you any differently than any other intellectually dishonest waste of...
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    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Stupidity. I didn't read the rest. When you decide you want to engage the discussion honestly. I'll pick it back up. Until then, you're a waste of time.
  3. Clete

    What Happens to the Severely Backslidden Christian?

    Then your position is unfalsifiable. It is functionally identical to the Calvinist position, even if operating from a different premise. It, of course, is directly relevant and cannot be otherwise. The name of the thread is... "What Happens to the Severely Backslidden Christian?" I...
  4. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I figured. I've read the book a few times. Chances are good that I'd remember it if this teaching was in there. It's going to for sure be in the Bible Studies. Likely in the set of studies on Ephesians.
  5. Clete

    What Happens to the Severely Backslidden Christian?

    Unlikely does not mean impossible. Rare does not mean non-existent. God is not a magician and is not capable of forcing someone to want to stay in heaven if they flatly don't want to do so. Why would He even want to do so? And we know that the severely backslidden do exist. Charles Templeton...
  6. Clete

    What Happens to the Severely Backslidden Christian?

    The longer this discussion goes, the more I think about how rare such a person is likely to be. It depends a lot on just what it takes to get saved in the first place. There's a super wide spectrum of beliefs on that point. Some TV preachers stupidly believe that if they ask some random...
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    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I'd search for any mention of the "day of redemption". If the teaching is in the book, it could not be presented without mentioning that phrase.
  8. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    https://www.theologyonline.com/threads/what-happens-to-the-severely-backslidden-christian.61468/
  9. Clete

    What Happens to the Severely Backslidden Christian?

    Much of the debate around eternal security and apostasy boils down to a false dichotomy. Either you are eternally secure and therefore incapable of ever walking away from God, or you can lose your salvation at any moment through sin, disbelief, or some other failure. I reject both extremes. The...
  10. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Very well. I don't recall. I don't think so. I wish I had the pdf version of the book so I could do a search. Maybe someone reading this could do that for me.
  11. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Neither say that. You are reading things into the text. For those who are not severely backslidden, there'd be no choice to make. 100% true - even for the severely backslidden, at least for some period of time. This doesn't apply at all because no one in this parable was a member of the Body...
  12. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Repeating you position doesn't count as an argument. Ignoring my argument doesn't count as a response. Until you respond with some sort of substance, I'll assume you have nothing of substance to respond with. The fact is that I can be moved but not by obfuscation and mischaracterizations. If...
  13. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Once again, I am both discourage and encouraged by the fact that, in order to reject my doctrine, people are forced to mischaracterize it and put words in my mouth that would never otherwise be there. Discouraged especially because those who do it seem to be the ones quickest to accuse me of...
  14. Clete

    Guns!

    That guy needs a much higher quality backpack with legitimate straps that properly support the weight across his whole upper torso. Based on the age of the image, the ammo there is likely .227. If it were anything bigger, he'd get knocked off his feet with the way that backpack is shifting his...
  15. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Neither passage refers to a person who is severely backslidden. As such your post is unresponsive to the question at hand. We are not here talking about the average Christian, and even less about people who we might consider to be strong in the faith. Their reaction to meeting God is obvious...
  16. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Now which of us is being dishonest, RD? The Day of Redemption is the day we are discussing. I'm pretty sure you knew that already. Then don't refute anything. Just respond to the following.... A woman grows up in church, becomes a believer in Christ and is genuinely saved. Later in life, she...
  17. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I don't follow. What "dead babies question", and how does it connect to Option 2? Everyone who doesn't end up in either the New Heaven or the New Earth will find the Lake of Fire. Right?
  18. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I am under the impression, although I could not establish it at the moment, that the day of redemption is the day when the process begins of Christians going through a judgement where we will receive rewards or suffer the loss of rewards. (I Corinthians 3:13–15; II Corinthians 5:10) This is...
  19. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Ideas have consequences Right Divider, as you well know! Why will you not engage the argument? On that day, one of three things will happen... Option 1: She (i.e. a severely backslidden Christian) joyfully embraces God as He truly is If this is your answer, then you're conceding my core...
  20. Clete

    Different Stuff

    It's so frustrating that such a plainly obvious fact of not only history but of LONG establish philosophy has to continually be restated over and over again.
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