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Unicorns, Zeus and the Starship Enterprise only obtain in fiction. Unless we include people who believe in those things, then their activity reflective of their wrong belief would also count as evidence for these things, but that's just under the umbrella of obtainment in fiction afaic...

I'm never going to find a good authoritative definition of obtain. Here however is a link to an abstract of a philosophy paper published 20 years ago which features the word and makes it clear what it means in the literature. https://www.jstor.org/stable/20118694 Abstract My paper takes...

I keep forgetting the national so-called cathedral is Anglican. A so-called church to go along with their so-called bishop.

And you can individually choose to commit. And just about every single Christian up until about 1500 did. You either [cosign a] commitment your parents made for you, on your behalf, like with circumcision with the Old Covenant, or you converted and made the commitment directly yourself. And...

I'm OK with that, my question is Why? To what end are you wanting to dig deeper? Because the point is there is distinction between the Persons of the Undivided Trinity. So that is an established fact, we can say confidently, it's not an open question, we do not have to believe it is merely...

OK. But is it evidence that He did not raise Himself? It seems in order to be that, it'd have to be an argument from silence, no? The specific distinctions I'm aware of are that the Father generates the Son, the Son is begotten of the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the...

Unicorns and Zeus do not obtain in the same way that justice and authority and mathematics obtain. The former only obtain in fiction.

Or Reformation. No longer did you have to commit to the Church, you could just be a "cowboy" Christian and do it your way, like Frank Sinatra (what a set of pipes). If you've made a commitment to the Church, then you're stuck, like you're stuck in a marriage. But in Christ you don't have to...

I think it's just talking about the Reformation. This is when all the millennial interpretation energy began in earnest, never really before the Reformation did anybody get too excited about whatever it meant, and then since the Reformation there's been a lot more interest in the topic. So I...

I mean it's rhetoric, right? Clearly. As clearly as you all Evangelicals read the words of consecration as metaphor, this is rhetoric. It's a genre of Scripture, like poetry and narrative and laws and proverbs. It's rhetoric. Hyperbole is a rhetorical device, for example. c. "If you do the...

We don't if we don't promise. That, I agree with. If we do promise, then we made a promise, and we should keep it. Like a marriage vow. Very much like a marriage vow.

We would say His soul IS His divinity. He is not partite in His essence. Surely He like us is one simple, indivisible essence. (Which is why we're not Nestorians, we can just simply say Mary is His mom simpliciter.) Yes. $$ Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple...

Largely true.

I already know you're not a Clavinist, neither am I. Total Depravity plus Unconditional Election means Reprobation, it's 2+2=4, but you'll still find some Clavinists who resist the necessary entailment of their theology. Nobody is denying this. The key word is "meant", it means that there's...

So like I said, I'm Augustian in as much as Augustine was Roman Catholic (which he was), and Clavinism is cafeteria Augustianism, because Clavinists just take what they like from Augustine and leave all the rest. They mainly like his polemics against Pelagius, and pay no mind to his belief in...

I wasn't ... but you know, if you have to believe that, that's fine. :carryon:

There's nothing to forgive. You're not objectively seeking the truth, you're stopping short. You're getting to a Here and No Further point, and you're stopping. I'm being charitable, this isn't an insult or meant to be offensive, it's an observation.

Every word of the Scripture is the literal word of God and all the words together is the Word of God, capital W. Everything in the Bible is taken to be what's I think commonly called foundational in the literature, meaning basically it's taken as evident and fundamental, a priori knowledge...

He wasn't just going through the motions, God saw that. And so do we see that, because God put it in the Bible. We all saw Abraham wasn't just going through the motions. That means something. That is important. With the Trinity that gets counter intuitive. It's not like Christ could not...

And all I have to say is, Who is your bishop? Clete.