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Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

You guys are arguing with a lunatic. Not that you didn't already know that but I thought that after 130 posts, stating the obvious might be warranted.

That a very philosophical thing you just said.

Why are you even here? Good bye.

Just the stupid ones that waste my time.

I wish we had the old smilies back! I need the :doh: smiley because I totally read your post wrong! Somehow I read it opposite and thought you had said that morality was subjective. I stand corrected. I think we are in near total agreement!

You're so full of stupidity that it's a waste of time to even talk to you.

Why won't you read the opening post? Is it because I've asked you to? Is it because you want to waste both your time and mine? Read it or go away!

I should point out, for the sake of clarity, that I was only saying that marke's form of argument was tautological and was not attempting to say that the statement "God is good" is a tautology. An attribute of a thing is not the thing itself but marke's form of argument seemed to be implying...

I'm pretty sure you didn't understand the point of the question. It's called Euthyphro's Dilemma. It's only been a subject of philosophical significance for a few thousands years and one that has direct bearing on whether Christianity (or any other monotheistic religion) is true or false so...

No it doesn't assume any such thing. It assumes that God is rational, nothing else. And yes, it is not possible for God to declare devils to be saints. It would be a contradiction. He could no more do that then He could declare cubes to be spheres. He could turn a cube into a sphere but that...

I fully understand why such discussions make a difference but no such discussion is possible when people aren't willing or capable of getting more than an inch deep into the subject and blow anything and everything anyone says off with flippant stupidity like "only God can fix it"...

Yeah, which is why no one here is advocating a fiat monarchy where the king's word is law. Thanks for contributing exactly nothing to the discussion! So what? They're in power aren't they? They were put in power by means of duly constituted popular vote and those who voted for them like their...

Saying it doesn't make it so - even if you happen to be right. Why can God not declare wrong to be right? Why? Read the open post for the answer.

Have you read the opening post? If not, it would be helpful if you would do so. That way we can be talking about the same thing without wasting each other's time. Clete

So then it makes no difference what form of government we have because "only God can fix it"! Might as well be fascist or communist or just a straight up dictatorship with an emperor king that rules by fiat. What is the point of even discussing these issues if this is the depth you're capable...

That wasn't the point. Forget the current congress and just think about the question in terms of various forms of government. The point is, which is easier to fix, one tyrant or four hundred?

What if the congress is full of 400+ cruel despots?

Do you know what a tautology is?

Exactly. Texas is likely to pick up three additional congressional seats because we still have our heads screwed on half way straight and all those who are both smart and able are leaving the more fascist areas of the country and coming to places where they are more free like Texas, Oklahoma and...