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Even if I were MidActs, I don't believe I'd draw this starkly: John 3:16 enters a world, thus gentile concern of condition met. It means that it becomes a universal message and universal salvation in scope. "Born Again" to Barna means the same thing as 'salvation' to them. It isn't a...

:z No it is not. You cannot 'born' yourself nor can 'born again' yourself. That which is born 'of' spirit is spirit. It is a condition to be met and only Jesus could and did meet it.

Talking with a few MAD, 'born again' was specifically to Nicodemus and so they see this and salvation as separate. So, the question must be (from that Mid Acts perspective) is: What is the same if any? What is different? First: What is different? A) Jesus is talking to Nicodemus...

Gee whiz, Clete. Admit when you are wrong. It might not be the version you use, but that was the quote! 0.o What does 2 Timothy 3:15 say in your version? I'm still pretty set on a lot of disagreements on TOL being often over the English language translations of Scripture. On point: I...

It isn't confusing. It is where I started "Scriptures are able to make you wise." Fairly clear against objections. Acceptable definition and avenue for wisdom. All this because I said "reading the scriptures will make you wise?" Well, I think I see where and why you entered thread. It...

Thanks. I think we are mostly on page. There are a few points of minor disagreement. Treat 2 Timothy 3:15 for me if you've the time and ty. As for 'wisdom,' it is different from reasoning. Proverbs 9:10; 19:7 For me on point: There is no wisdom that isn't God's. So we agree...

Uhhgg, if mine was unclear, so is yours here. You cannot have sound reasoning without "sound reasoning" instruction. The Fall left us in need of it. Not tracking. People have to read scripture to have sound reasoning. Without God's thoughts, there is no such thing. God is seen in...

I'm at a loss. Even you cannot mean that wisdom isn't God's. Explain please. I agree otherwise, my intent is to say God is working on us. You bet we need to study. If that's all, its onesided (my only point, not in disagreement with the former, but we are in a relationship that is...

Did you READ those verses? 1 Corinthians 2:14 says a man without God's Spirit cannot understand/accept God's wisdom. My point was that God is active in this world. We do our diligence but God is working on me. I'm not alone, neither are you else you'd be completely subject to your grade...

All Latinos eat tacos. Generalization or exaggeration? Study. Ah, nice old-school comeback, overused do you think? 🤔 I know what my education and yours is. You are an intelligent guy but try not to be this audacious in your return assessments (change it up please)? They say more...

Huge difference between 'all things' with man and 'all things' with God. In your former, it is definitely implied "all things pertinent to this topic." I don't believe you can readily apply the same to God knowing all things. There is no context implied. Grammar ftw?

It depends on one's reading level, but reading scripture does cause sound reasoning. 2 Timothy 3:16 Isaiah 55:11. That said: Proverbs 4:7 in agreement.

No, not rambling at all. I appreciate your story. Another reason I ask is because it helps see where another is coming from, what motivations there are behind thoughts. Regardless of the stark differences between our theologies on one front, I do appreciate Mid-Acts teaching and...

Suggesting that Peter was given to exaggeration? 🤔 Anticipating this, I gave two other scriptures. If the Bible teaches "knows all things" and even in Open Theism: "Knows all things possible" it concedes these scriptures else even Open Theism would have absolutely no ground for "knows...

Using the cancer analogy: I don't believe anybody is praying that God will take somebody with Cancer. In general, having the heart of God, I'd reckon those prayers are very much unified and in accord. T God is sovereign, always makes the best choices. Romans 8:28

My question stemmed from this and other articles. My first encounter with Open Theists was largely from the Charismatic churches. Later, when involved with Southern Baptists, Open Theism came up under council scrutiny. It seems there is a good number who came from Reformed circles (Derf...

You've moved me on a couple of points. It is my objective in debate, not to 'change' but to plant and water because God gives increase. In order to move from my entrenched position, God has to challenge me through scripture. It has to be there where anybody will change so I urge 1)...

Lamentations 3:37 Have to believe it. It is scripture. a) God's will is decretive and prescriptive, which do you mean? b) Changed? In His prescriptive will, we see Moses stepping in as mediator. Is this 'against' God's will? No of course not since He placed Moses in the first place...

John 21:17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. Psalm 147:5 1 John 3:20 o_O!

:nono: If you are told to 'be' perfect as your Heavenly Father, it intimates a standard (see below). Genesis 17:1; Matthew 5:48 Incorrect: From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity (standard), truth (standard): - without blemish, complete, full...