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There's no question about that. Personally, I see it as the work of a mind or minds struggling to make Christianity somehow a better "fit" for the 20th century. It's interesting to me how C.S. Lewis's Out of the Silent Planet, a work of fiction, has many parallels with the UB, especially the...

Fair enough; he may well have come to a different conclusion. I know I'm not the only one to have reached the conclusion I've reached, among those who have read the whole book and spent some time studying it. But I don't pretend to have any statistics on the matter. The fact that the UB is not...

And they were plagiarized. These sources could easily have been used without plagiarizing. They could have been expanded upon and put within a greater cosmological context without plagiarizing. Nevertheless, they were plagiarized. It's not the fact that human sources were used that is...

I have already explained in detail why the charge is neither false nor truly addressed by the statement in the UB. No one has attempted yet to show any fault in my reasoning. I can well understand why no one might want to continue the topic, but it just won't do to suggest that the UB's...

What I understand you to mean here is that if the UB, or any other text, manages to convey to a reader something of what that reader believes are true "universe values and meanings," then all concerns about the origin of the text are trivial. This position is utterly relativistic. It makes the...

This point has been made, and it has been refuted. If the goal is to move the discussion forward, then someone needs to show that the refutations are wrong. Let's look at the matter carefully. In my first post on this subject I quoted a definition of plagiarism from dictionary.com: Plagiarism...

I'm interested in truth. It's true that the Urantia Book I'd plagiarized. The question is: What are the implications of that? I wouldn't describe myself as a biblical-oriented person. I'm unaware that the gospel authors sought copyright protection got their writings. But the authors of the...

I continued on because you committed the straw man fallacy by criticizing claims that I never made. Maybe I shouldn't have done so. I've been down a few paths. I studied A Course In Miracles for a year or so; was actively studying the Urantia Book for about three years; practiced Siddha Yoga...

What "rule of verification"? You quoted only part of what I said, and in so doing changed the meaning completely.

That's not what I asked. I made no such claim. What assumption?

I've already answered your "So?" Insults and accusations are of no interest to me.

You don't know me; please don't presume to speak for me. By all means add "mindless" to your list of insults, if it gives you a reality response. I think I have ample reason to abstain from further discussion.

I remember quite a bit: The ascension career, the Isle of Paradise and Havona, the mansion worlds, the morontia soul, finaliters, Caligastia and the Lucifer Rebellion, trinities, triodities, and so on. But if you want to insist that I'm lying, have at it. I don't need to prove myself to you...

I did read the Urantia Book, all of it. The hypocrisy of the celestials (why the quotation marks?) didn't deter me. There are many ideas in the Urantia Book. The merit of many of them is impossible for me or any other mortal to assess, so I have to make a determination whether or not to trust...

According to the History of the Urantia Papers that you highly recommend, It seems clear that the Contact Commission was directed by the Revelators to get an international copyright for The Urantia Book. Both Histories state The Urantia Book was published under an international copyright on...

Then those adjectives apply to the alleged celestial beings who supposedly directed the Urantia Foundation to get copyright protection for the Urantia Book. We're all free to make our own judgments, of course. I allow myself to judge that the hypocrisy of getting copyright protection for a...

The definition doesn't require that the plagiarizer must explicitly claim the text as his own. It uses the term "representation". So how do authors represent text as their own? The answer is simple. They represent text as their own by not differentiating it from text that they represent as...

I read all 196 papers. I remember most of the main ideas, but I don't claim perfect knowledge, do you? We were discussing the issue of plagiarism. That the Urantia Book author(s) have committed plagiarism is simply beyond dispute. If we can't even agree on that fact, without evasions such as...

Why assume? The Urantia Book is plagiarized, by any meaningful standard. It's not necessary to assume what is known to be the case. So the question is, does the fact of it's plagiarism make its contents less true? Possibly. It depends on whether you think celestial authors would honor our...

From what I've read, this is less than accurate. The UB fails to demarcate the appropriated language from its own original language, just as plagiarizing students insert copied text into their own paragraphs, without showing where they are doing so. This is plagiarism. The fact that no one has...