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  1. Clete

    What Is Morality, and is it Absolute?

    That is not quite correct but I understand the point you're making. God is Life itself. Life (i.e. rational life) is the standard of right and wrong. If there were no God there would be no life. If there is no life, there is no one to harm or be harmed and therefore no right and wrong...
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    ECT The Beast Revelation

    The same passage in normal English that everyone here can read and fully understand... Ezekiel 28:16 New King James Version 16 “By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I...
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    ECT The Beast Revelation

    The operative phrase in my sentence is "could have". I wasn't suggesting that it actually happened, only that the timing of his rebellion has no effect on whether God could grant him access to whatever portion of Heaven the relevant passages in Job occur in.
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    ECT The Beast Revelation

    That is not possible (not to mention unbiblical). Time is not a thing, it is an idea. Says who? Funny how false premises lead to false conclusions. Says who? There is no question that the bible uses figurative language in many places but that is not grounds to state that there was no such...
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    ECT The Beast Revelation

    @Done, I agree with your central point that Satan's expulsion from heaven occurs during the events described in Revelation 12. The passage is quite explicit about it, and Revelation 12:10 identifies Satan as the accuser of the brethren, who had been accusing them before God day and night. This...
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    What Is Morality, and is it Absolute?

    Wouldn't that be so without the bible? That is, we don't need the bible to tell us that much, right? It was so before the bible, it's so now and will be so long after anything of this world remains. It goes far beyond the people in those relationships. It undermines the entire society. It is a...
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    ECT The Beast Revelation

    No doubt about that! I cannot comprehend what it is he thinks that he's accomplishing besides making a fool of himself.
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    ECT The Beast Revelation

    From what I've seen, that would have been a positive result! I have offered you no opinions. No one has suggested otherwise, nor do I need permission to crush your views into powder. And I read them. They're incoherent nonsense as I have not merely asserted but demonstrated. Anyone can state...
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    ECT The Beast Revelation

    @ephraim, You repeatedly call your interpretation “the true meaning,” then offer the fact that Christians reject it as evidence that they are deceived. Where have you established that your interpretation is true? You showing up here to state your interpretation doesn't make it true and...
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    Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!

    This post should not be taken to mean that I've removed Idolator from my ignore list. It does NOT mean that! There is one thing I can guarantee anyone reading Idolator's comment: It was ENTIRELY prima facie. It seems that surface thinking is all he is capable of. There was not one second of...
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    Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!

    Taking God’s name in vain concerns how you use His name, not how accurately you pronounce it. You can pronounce it perfectly while invoking Him to support a lie. Would that cease to be taking His name in vain because you got the vowels right? Clearly not. Also, Mr. Huff sneaks in a little...
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    Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!

    This is called "Modalism" and its only been considered a heresy for no more than about one thousand eight hundred years! Sabellius, the father of modalism, was excommunicated for basically this same teaching around AD 220, more than a century before the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. It's little...
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    I had a debate with Alexa today

    There's no doubt that AI isn't the near miracle that many people treat it as. I've used Chat GPT enough to know that you absolutely cannot trust it to do anything important entirely on its own. You have to hand hold it and make sure it doesn't cross boundaries or go off onto weird tangents that...
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    What Is Morality, and is it Absolute?

    I agree that murder and rape and other such things are wrong. I, however, when asked, can explain to people WHY it is wrong. I'm trying to understand whether you are merely asserting that it is wrong or whether there is a why behind that assertion. Why is murder wrong if there is no God? So...
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    I had a debate with Alexa today

    It's amazing that it makes that much difference. Sticking with Standard time would really super suck for people like yourself! If they do get rid of DST, they should split the difference. It's standard time now, so they could say that we're going to move the clocks up half an hour and then...
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    I had a debate with Alexa today

    Wow! Sunset at 4:46 PM. That seems crazy early. Sunset this evening (Nov. 2) at my house will be at 5:34 PM. Of course, I'm quite far south and just about in the middle of my time zone. If you're a lot further north and live near the east side of your time zone, that would explain the...
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    Commonly used tactics to avoid real debate

    Quite so! (y) Excellent!
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    Commonly used tactics to avoid real debate

    "Direct Ad Hominem: Insulting the opponent directly instead of evaluating their reasoning." That definition of Ad Hominem is not quite accurate. An ad hominem is a fallacious form of argument, not merely the act of insulting someone in response to some argument that they've presented. If I...
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    What Is Morality, and is it Absolute?

    Why is your answer yes?
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    What Is Morality, and is it Absolute?

    So, I was rereading my own post above this morning and a thought occurred to me that I have to share here. Notice the impact that the ideas expressed in that post has on things you'd never expect. If rational life is the objective standard of morality, and God is necessarily living, rational and...
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