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Idolater

Idolater

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Idolater said:
Krishna. But no, as it is not an institution or organization, but a practice. And that's not what @chrysostom meant by what he said. Again, marriage far exceeds even Hinduism in age, but he was talking about something besides marriage and family.
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There has to be an office, and at least two of them (such as the monarch and his subjects, two offices). That's what makes marriage and family—and the Church—an not only institution and tradition, but organization.

Idolater said:
Peter was the first pope. Catholicism IS just simple Biblical Christianity.
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We don't need Peter to be the first pope to establish Catholicism. We only need the office of Bishop, 1st Timothy 3:1, which has existed since the first century, before the Jewish temple was demolished and rabbinical Judaism was established. The Apostles were the original, founding guardians, custodians and stewards of the office of Bishop, and now we call their successors in that endeavor, the Bishops themselves.
 
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Idolater said:
We don't need Peter to be the first pope to establish Catholicism.
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That is hilarious!

Idolater said:
We only need the office of Bishop, 1st Timothy 3:1, which has existed since the first century, before the Jewish temple was demolished and rabbinical Judaism was established.
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The apostle Paul did not allow anyone of the twelve to have authority over him. That was because Christ directly gave Paul his authority!

Idolater said:
The Apostles were the original, founding guardians, custodians and stewards of the office of Bishop, and now we call their successors in that endeavor, the Bishops themselves.
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Who are "The Apostles"?

Your "Church Bishops" have absolutely no authority over anyone in the body of Christ (i.e., the church which is His body).
 
Idolater

Idolater

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Idolater said:
There has to be an office, and at least two of them (such as the monarch and his subjects, two offices). That's what makes marriage and family—and the Church—an not only institution and tradition, but organization.
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Marriage is an institution, and a tradition, from antiquity, but marriage is also an organization, a very simple one, the most simple organization, just two offices, filled by just two people (Jesus outlawed polygamy formally); a two-member organization.

Idolater said:
We don't need Peter to be the first pope to establish Catholicism. We only need the office of Bishop, 1st Timothy 3:1, which has existed since the first century, before the Jewish temple was demolished and rabbinical Judaism was established. The Apostles were the original, founding guardians, custodians and stewards of the office of Bishop, and now we call their successors in that endeavor, the Bishops themselves.
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You could argue that the guardians, custodians, and stewards of the office of Bishop, are Catholic families, and lay. If you wanted to argue that I'm wrong. "No, the Bishops can't be their own guardians, custodians, and stewards. Some other party must fill this role. Just grammatically." You could say.

Bishops are basically local boys. In Boston, we just got a new Bishop, he came from Rhode Island. He succeeds another local boy, Cardinal Sean O'Malley (Boston Irish Catholic). So, we ultimately possess the absolute power to keep all of our boys away from that office. We could suffocate it, nothing hinders (nihil obstat) us from doing that, as a collective. The Pope, and no Bishop either, couldn't stop us, if we wanted the Bishop of Boston to be a vacant seat (sedevacante), we could snuff it out like a candle. No Catholic boys means no candidates for Bishop.

We're not doing that—but we could do that. Nothing hinders (nihil obstat). Stands to reason. Self-evident. Lay Catholic families possess (are the guardians, custodians and stewards of) their local office of Bishop.
 
Idolater

Idolater

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Idolater said:
Marriage is an institution, and a tradition, from antiquity, but marriage is also an organization, a very simple one, the most simple organization, just two offices, filled by just two people (Jesus outlawed polygamy formally)
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Jesus was asked, "Can I marry a second wife?" and He said, c. "Not even IF YOU DIVORCE your first one."
 
Idolater

Idolater

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Right Divider said:
That is hilarious!


The apostle Paul did not allow anyone of the twelve to have authority over him. That was because Christ directly gave Paul his authority!


Who are "The Apostles"?

Your "Church Bishops" have absolutely no authority over anyone in the body of Christ (i.e., the church which is His body).
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Your local Bishop oversees or supervises the Christianity in your diocese. He oversees it in both Catholic and in non-Catholic churches. Did you know that "The Godfather" Marlon Brando was only 49 years old?
 
Clete

Clete

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chrysostom said:
Can you make your claim without using the word 're-offer'?
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I might consider doing so but not before you respond with some substance to what I've already said.
This is not your personal website and I don't have to allow you to endlessly waste my time.
 
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