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Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?
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While sulfur boulders are consistent with the HPT, I'm not sure that their existence is affirmative evidence for the theory.
Also, just to restate it for the record, I happen to buy most of the HPT. I definitely think it does a much better job of explaining Earth's geology than Plate Tectonics. It is only the portion of the HPT concerning the origin of comets, asteroids and Pluto, etc that I am significantly skeptical about.
tymordaenill
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Nah, to me the flood in the Bible, from Genesis 6 through 9, sits in that strange, gritty tension between myth and memory, judgment and mercy, truth and tale. It's presented as a worldwide catastrophe—a divine reset triggered by human corruption, where God spares only Noah, his family, and a pair of every creature, sealing them inside an ark while the rest of the world drowns under forty days and nights of rain. The story is brutal. It’s not sanitized for Sunday School, no matter how many cartoon arks get painted on nursery walls. It’s the story of a God who wipes the slate clean, of a world so far gone that mercy looks like starting over.
But when you drag the story out of Genesis and set it next to reality—next to the fossil record, archaeological layers, and historical timelines—it doesn’t add up as literal, global history. There’s no solid geological evidence of a worldwide flood in the time frame Genesis implies. No sediment layers covering the globe. No mass extinction on the scale a true global flood would leave behind. That doesn’t mean it’s worthless or irrelevant—it means it speaks in a different kind of truth.
A lot or people believe the biblical flood reflects a much older memory, rooted in real, devastating floods that impacted early civilizations in Mesopotamia. Ancient Sumerian and Babylonian texts—the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Atrahasis Epic—also describe massive floods sent by the gods, with one man warned ahead of time, told to build a boat, and tasked with saving life. These stories share common themes: divine anger, judgment, survival, and renewal. It points to a shared trauma, passed down through oral tradition, shaped by different cultures, and eventually written into scripture.
So what does that mean for someone trying to follow Christ and stay grounded in reality? It means the flood story isn't about the science of water levels or shipbuilding logistics. It’s about the condition of humanity, the grief of God, and the hope of redemption. Genesis says God “was grieved in his heart” (Gen. 6:6) over what people had become. That verse hits harder than all the rain. The flood becomes a metaphor not for divine cruelty, but for divine heartbreak and the severity of sin. It also becomes a story of grace—that even in the worst collapse, God preserves a remnant. He remembers Noah. He remembers creation. He doesn’t forget.
And Christ, in the New Testament, draws on the flood story not to relive the judgment but to show its fulfillment. 1 Peter 3:20-21 connects Noah’s salvation through water to the symbol of baptism—not as a magical ritual, but as a sign of conscience toward God. The flood, then, becomes a shadow of what’s coming: not mass death, but rebirth through Christ.
So no, I don’t take the flood as a literal worldwide event. But I do take it seriously. It’s an ancient scream from the deep past, warning of what happens when violence and corruption rule unchecked. And it’s a whisper of hope, too, that even when everything falls apart, God makes a way through. That’s the truth I find in the myth. That’s why I still read it. Not to debate the physics, but to hear the heart of a God who still grieves, still judges, and still saves.
Another case of missing the forest for the trees.
Take a step back.
There is an average MILE DEEP layer of sediment and sedimentary rock across the earth. There are, to use Ken Ham's phrase, "Billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth." Those aren't evidence of a global flood?
Instead of just believing the narrative that those sedimentary layers were laid down over millions of years, consider the possibility that the ENTIRE "geologic column" was laid down over the course of a single year, roughly 5200 years ago.
tymordaenill
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But in the end, no one really knows. No one alive saw it happen. No video, no proof that would hold up in court. What we have are the remnants—mud, rock, bones, and stories. Some people take it by faith. Some write it off. But it’s still here, thousands of years later, still being told, still being questioned. Maybe that’s the point. Maybe it’s not about certainty. Maybe it’s about remembering that the earth doesn’t forget, that judgment and mercy can come in the same storm, and that when everything falls apart, there might still be a way to survive it. Or maybe not. We weren’t there. No one knows for sure.
So you'll say "we can't know" when it comes to the Bible, but you put your faith in what men say about the earth being billions of years old?
Let God be true, and every man a liar.
tymordaenill
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Bottom line—the question was, "Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?" And the straight answer is no, not really. There’s no solid, clear-cut proof that a global flood like the one in the Bible actually happened. Yeah, we’ve got layers of rock, stacked fossils, even sea creatures buried up on mountaintops—but science says that’s all from different local floods, disasters, and slow changes over millions of years, not one giant flood that covered the whole earth at once. There’s no single layer in the ground that proves it all went down like that. So no, there’s no obvious, hard evidence for it. Some people hold to it by faith, and that’s fine. But truth is—no one really knows for sure.
tymordaenill
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I say some things are man devised and others are spiritual. I choose to have faith in god and I take some things with a grain of salt knowing we cant know it all and that's ok.
So if God says "I destroyed the earth with a flood, but the next time it'll be with fire," and man says "there was no flood"...
Who do you believe? God? Or Man?
tymordaenill
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Knowing the theology of the Bible and actually believing in every aspect of it it are two different things. I’ve studied it enough to know the Bible wasn’t written all at once, and it sure wasn’t handed down perfect. It was pieced together over thousands of years by different men, in different cultures, with different motives. Some parts are deeply spiritual, no question. But a lot of it—especially in the Old Testament—is law, government, and religious structure built to control, organize, and enforce power. It’s not all divine wisdom; some of it is human agenda. And I get that. I know the history. I know the science doesn’t always line up. I know parts of it contradict each other. But even with all that in plain view, I still believe. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. Not because I think the Bible is flawless, but because even through all the flaws, the truth still gets through. Theology is study, argument, structure. Faith is different. Faith is what keeps me holding on when the structure shows its cracks.
Bladerunner
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Very good point JudgeRightly. Yet, the Total Depravity of the man who said "there was no flood" will not and can not believe in GOD without Him changing his stony heart (Eze 36:26). This many will take the 50/50 chance and proclaim Man will survive with a GOD. Thanks again, blessings
tymordaenill
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Great conversation. This is what I was hoping for when I joined. Theological perspective. To me theology ain't just about sitting in a quiet room stacking up doctrines. It’s sort of a mental struggle. It’s digging into the guts of life and asking, What does God have to do with all this? You can study the Bible till your eyes bleed, pull apart ancient languages, debate predestination till you lose your breath—but if you’re paying attention, you start realizing real quick that theology touches everything. It’s tied up in how we think, feel, suffer, and hope.
Some folks act like faith and science can’t sit at the same table. But they’re wrong. Plenty of scientists have believed in God—still believe in Him—and not just in some vague, deist way, but in the blood-soaked gospel of Jesus Christ. They look through microscopes and telescopes and still say, “Yeah... there's something more.” They understand atoms and stars but still hit their knees. Why? Because being brilliant doesn’t cancel out belief—it just makes you more aware of how small you really are. The finite trying to grasp the infinite will always come up short, but that tension? That stretch? That’s where faith lives.
And theological rabbit holes? They come with the territory. Start studying theology and pretty soon you’re asking about the nature of time, space, existence, consciousness. For instance Paul did it on Mars Hill quoting Greek poets (Acts 17:28). Aquinas borrowed from Aristotle. Calvin dipped into politics and linguistics to defend what he believed. The point is, faith has always made room for questions—real ones. The Bible doesn’t pretend the world is simple. It just promises that God is in it, through it, above it, and still not afraid of our confusion.
So yeah, theology pulls you, me everyone who gets into it into some wild places. But if Christ stays at the center—if you don’t let go of the cross—it doesn’t matter how far you dig or how many paradoxes you trip over. That pursuit becomes holy. Because you’re not chasing knowledge to feel smart. You’re chasing God through the mess, and He tends to show up in the wildest, least expected places. Sometimes in a lab. Sometimes in a poem. Sometimes in a breakdown. But He shows. Every single time. I know this for a fact because when I was at my lowest in life He showed up and pulled me from a horrible lost life long ago. Anyway just an opinion.
Some folks act like faith and science can’t sit at the same table. But they’re wrong. Plenty of scientists have believed in God—still believe in Him—and not just in some vague, deist way, but in the blood-soaked gospel of Jesus Christ. They look through microscopes and telescopes and still say, “Yeah... there's something more.” They understand atoms and stars but still hit their knees. Why? Because being brilliant doesn’t cancel out belief—it just makes you more aware of how small you really are. The finite trying to grasp the infinite will always come up short, but that tension? That stretch? That’s where faith lives.
And theological rabbit holes? They come with the territory. Start studying theology and pretty soon you’re asking about the nature of time, space, existence, consciousness. For instance Paul did it on Mars Hill quoting Greek poets (Acts 17:28). Aquinas borrowed from Aristotle. Calvin dipped into politics and linguistics to defend what he believed. The point is, faith has always made room for questions—real ones. The Bible doesn’t pretend the world is simple. It just promises that God is in it, through it, above it, and still not afraid of our confusion.
So yeah, theology pulls you, me everyone who gets into it into some wild places. But if Christ stays at the center—if you don’t let go of the cross—it doesn’t matter how far you dig or how many paradoxes you trip over. That pursuit becomes holy. Because you’re not chasing knowledge to feel smart. You’re chasing God through the mess, and He tends to show up in the wildest, least expected places. Sometimes in a lab. Sometimes in a poem. Sometimes in a breakdown. But He shows. Every single time. I know this for a fact because when I was at my lowest in life He showed up and pulled me from a horrible lost life long ago. Anyway just an opinion.
tymordaenill
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I believe it’s possible. Maybe the flood happened, maybe it didn’t. Maybe none of it lines up exactly like we think. In the end, only the infinite knows for sure. I’ve read the arguments, seen the doubt, and I still choose to believe. Not because it all makes sense, but because there’s a faith in me that says God is real, Jesus is alive, and the Spirit is present—no matter what. That’s the bottom line for me. All the talk about flood or no flood, who’s right or wrong—it doesn’t shake that. I believe because something in me knows He’s there.
But you don't believe He's capable to producing and preserving a book of scripture.
Not sure I see the point.
If your faith doesn't have to make sense, tell me which nut-job lunatic doctrine can be falsified? Maybe David Koresh really was a sinning Messiah!
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This statement of yours is theological.
Establish it, if you can.
Show me the "study, argument, structure" that produced that doctrine.
tymordaenill
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That was a horrible time. My grand parents and much of my family come from the Waco area. I believe God is capable of all things. A persons faith is their faith. They are suitable for such so long as they harm nothing and no one in their practice. I respect peoples faiths but I believe in the one true God, Jesus and Holy Spirit.
tymordaenill
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You ask me to “establish” it—as if faith were a thesis paper or a doctrine in a seminary catalog. Like it can be dissected, annotated, defended with tidy citations and syllogisms. But you don’t establish faith in a classroom. You earn it in the streets, in the gutters, in the fire where theology either breathes or dies.
You want to know what “produced” that statement? Let me lay it bare for you.
I was fourteen, living on the streets, sleeping under bridges, stealing crusts, selling scraps, ducking cops and fists and nights too cold to survive. I joined the military and shipped out to Vietnam not because I was patriotic, but because it was either that or rot. And over there I saw boys younger than I’d been lose their legs, their minds, and their souls. I saw good men butchered and evil ones rise. I held guts in with my bare hands. I prayed with men whose last words were “Tell my mama I’m sorry.” And when I came back, I came back broken and quiet, dragging ghosts.
I became a chaplain in the worst places—back alleys, detox tanks, train yards, soup kitchens where folks had to choose between dinner or another fix. I held men’s heads while they vomited blood and demons. I preached beside railroad fires with hobos and drifters and schizophrenics who knew Scripture better than most pastors. I patched roofs on old shelters held up by faith and duct tape. And I carried my mother out of bars more times than I can count, bloody and broken from being used as a punching bag.
I’ve gone hungry more times than I’ve prayed. I’ve been beaten, spit on, cursed at, ignored, and locked up for trying to keep someone alive long enough to hear, “You matter. God sees you.”
So you want to talk theology? Sure, let’s. But know this: my faith wasn’t born in books. It wasn’t born in pulpits or pews. It was born in foxholes and barrooms, alleys and shelters, in the bones of broken people and the eyes of addicts whispering “thank you” before slipping into death. It was born when I stood in the gap and the system failed. When the structure cracked, and all I had left was a whisper in the soul that said, “Hold on.”
Faith, for me, is what held when nothing else did. When theology couldn’t answer the screams, faith whispered hope. When doctrine broke apart in the fire, faith walked me out alive.
So no—I can’t show you the footnotes. But I can show you the scars. I can show you the gospel in calluses and bruises. I can show you Christ where the church won’t look.
And if that ain’t enough for you—then brother, you’re not really asking for truth. You’re asking for permission not to feel. And I ain’t the one to give it.
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tymordaenill
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Not sure how to answer this. Are you seeking to spar or simply not knowing or being sarcastic or are you asking yourself the question and answering it yourself. A sort of self diagnosis?
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It was a legitimate question based on what you wrote:
Based on that... do you think that God is capable of sinning?