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Is Jesus the Father?
- Thread starter Bright Raven
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No!
Matthew 3:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Matthew 3:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
That does not saying anything about Jesus being the Father nor God. It says Jesus is His Son. That makes Him the Father.
You put your own theory there.
You believe what you want to believe.
good day.
You're an idiot! The Father is speaking to the Son so, how can the Father be the Son :duh:
Sometimes I have trouble distinguishing what you wrote. My apologies for the derogatory comment.
| THREE QUESTIONS TO DETERMINE IF THE TRINITY IS BIBLICALLY TRUE OR FALSE. If any one of these questions can be answered 'no,' then the Trinity can be rejected as an unbiblical belief. But if all three can be answered 'yes,' then the concept of the Trinity can be accepted as true. 1. Does the Bible mention three distinct persons? 2. Does the Bible refer to each of these persons as God? 3. Does the Bible teach there is only one God? The answers: 1. Are three distinct persons mentioned? YES. A. The Father (1 John 3:1) B. The Son (1 John 1:3) C. The Holy Spirit (John 14:6; 14:26; 15:26; 16:13-14; Romans 15:30; Ephesians 4:30) 2. Are each of these persons referred to as God? YES. A. God the Father (1Thessalonians 1:1) B. God the Son (John 1:1; 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9) C. God the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4) 3. Is there only one God? YES. (see Deuteronomy 4:35-39; Psalm 86:10; Isaiah 45:5; 45:22) |
genuineoriginal
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No
John 14:24 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. |
musterion
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No.
FACT: God is not the author of confusion within the Body of Christ.
FACT: Christ referred to the Father as a Person distinct from Himself.
FACT: God referred to the Son as a Person distinct from Himself.
FACT: They are not the same Person but both are referred to as God.
FACT: There is only one God.
That leaves only one reasonable conclusion.
Those who sow confusion in the face of these Bible facts are in error, if not of Satan.
FACT: God is not the author of confusion within the Body of Christ.
FACT: Christ referred to the Father as a Person distinct from Himself.
FACT: God referred to the Son as a Person distinct from Himself.
FACT: They are not the same Person but both are referred to as God.
FACT: There is only one God.
That leaves only one reasonable conclusion.
Those who sow confusion in the face of these Bible facts are in error, if not of Satan.
genuineoriginal
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Jesus seems to have come to a different conclusion.
John 10:34-36 34 Jesus answered them, [JESUS]Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[/JESUS] 35 [JESUS]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[/JESUS] 36 [JESUS]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?[/JESUS] |
What did He know that we don't?
musterion
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Question is, what did He know that you don't.
Fuller quote:
Footnote says "gods" there is elohim, which can mean "mighty ones," like judges.
He was not complimenting them. This was not a positive statement. He was ripping them a new one.
But if you want to take the TBN interpretation, knock yourself out.
genuineoriginal
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Psalm 82:6-7 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. |
You do know that Christians are also called children of the most High.
Shouldn't we take heed of this warning, too?
musterion
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Your prattling is unwelcome. You are also disrupting the thread with fruitless debate.
genuineoriginal
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genuineoriginal
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There was no God beside the Lord in the Old Testament.
Isaiah 45:5 5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: |
But look:
Acts 7:55 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, |
Jesus is standing right beside God in the New Testament.
God's Truth
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There is ONLY ONE GOD, not three distinct/different "persons" making one God.