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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    You're just not convincing. By your statement, you admit that eternal suffering is biblical, and the reason you give for it being not literal is that you don't like it. But if God resurrects everyone to an eternally incorruptible body, what is He to do with the ones who refuse to obey Him? I...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    But death is thrown into the lake of fire prior to the penalty of those that were misled. So death (the 1st kind, where they would return to dust) is impossible, because it is entirely defeated. This seems to me to be where most Christians go wrong, because they think of man as immortal, at...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    The resurrected are made of incorruptible stuff, that can't die. 1 Corinthians 15:42 KJV — So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1 Corinthians 15:44 KJV — It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body... 1 Corinthians...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    Why is two chances enough? Why not 3? But that's not what the scripture says. It says they are judged for 2nd death, not for the 1st. And a 2nd death, which is a different kind of thing than the 1st, requires a different kind of sin than the 1st, don't you think? For sinners? I thought you...
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    Because the phrase "little flock" isn't used in Rev 14:3. You might be right, but you don't have enough evidence to say the 144,000, mentioned first in Revelation, is the same group that was alive when Jesus was speaking on the earth, especially since all of that group Jesus spoke to died...
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    Is eternal suffering literal?

    It doesn't seem like death is eternal, since all die, then all are resurrected, then all are judged. Judgment follows resurrection, which follows death, so death is not eternal. Do you agree with that? So, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and the wages of sin is death...
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    Possibly Possibly not Probably not They inherit the earth/land, but they aren't bound to stay there, they just get to dwell there. Yes, the ones that came against the saints was "numbered as the sand of the sea" (and I agree it means "many"), but those were destroyed by the fire that came...
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    The resurrection to life or judgement

    This makes sense to me. Perhaps, but it seems like those who are resurrected before the Millennium are only (underlined text below) those who have already passed the test of faith (bold text below): Revelation 20:4-5 KJV — And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto...
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    A little comedy break....

    Newest VeggieTales character, alongside Broccoli Obama and Okra Winfrey.
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    Obviously multiple gospels

    Except that Paul also talks about "the gospel of God" 6 times, Peter 1 time. Paul talks about "the gospel of Christ" 11 times, Peter zero times. According to your system of accounting, that means that either Paul's gospel was not God's gospel (they are 2 different gospels), and God's gospel is...
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    A little comedy break....

    Maybe you've discovered the mystery of the distinction: dad jokes are the ones you can actually tell your kids
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    A little comedy break....

    They're just jealous they didn't think of it first.
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    A little comedy break....

    You're such a font of humor.
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    Died Suddenly

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/two-young-bank-america-workers-die-suddenly-within/
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    Died Suddenly

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/new-zealand-mps-son-rising-rugby-star-dies/
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    Peter and Paul

    Not the Cornelius types. He nor his family were NEVER called Jews, even though he was in Peter's territory. The Ethiopian eunuch was never called a Jew. I don't think any of the Samaritans that believed and we're prayed for by Peter ever became Jews or were called Jews, yet they were in his...
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    Peter and Paul

    And why would Paul be interested in reigning over Peter (by correcting him) when he wasn't one of the twelve who were to reign over the 12 tribes?
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    Peter and Paul

    At least the one that distinguished between clean and unclean things. The Jews rightly perceived that such was typifying Gentiles, but they probably were over zealous in how they applied it. Peter seems to have gone further than just accepting Gentiles as clean, for he was "living like the...
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    Peter and Paul

    Or the Jews either. That's why Paul criticized Peter as hypocritical when he lived like a Gentile until the Judaizers came. Not because living like the Gentile believers was bad, but because reverting to the law was bad.
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    Peter and Paul

    The second might have bearing on the body of Christ, if God has made one group of the two (Jews and Gentiles).
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