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  1. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    OZOS, did Peter sin or not? Of course he did and he was born of God. i answered 1 John 5;18 but you haven't addressed what Paul said about Peter. If those born of God cannot sin then why does Paul tell them the following?: "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse...
  2. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    OZOS insists that those born of God cannot sin. But let us look at Peter and see if he sinned after he was born of God. First, when we compare Matthew 16:16 to 1 John 5;1-5 it becoes clear that Peter was born of God. And here is what the Apostle Paul said about the behavior of Peter at one point...
  3. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    John told those who were already born of God the following; "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1 Jn.1:7-8). According to OZOS'...
  4. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    OZOS wrote: Any 6 year old understands that only those who say that don't have something, when they do have something, are those who need to confess they have something. Logic 101. But again, you're a moron. John is addressing those who would say they have no sin (vs 8), not those who admit...
  5. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    OZOS, here is your pitiful answer to the following words of John written to those born of God: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness “ You wrote: "To confess is to agree with God or to say the same as God would say...
  6. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    OZOS insists that those born of God cannot sin. But let us look at Peter and see if he sinned after he was born of God. First, when we compare Matthew 16:16 to 1 John 5;1-5 it becoes clear that Peter was born of God. And here is what the Apostle Paul said about the behavior of Peter at one point...
  7. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    Where can I find your answer?
  8. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    As I have demonstrated the following words of John are addressed to those who are born of God: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1...
  9. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    i already addressed that verse and you know it.shame that you refuse to answer why John would tell those born of God to confess their sins if they had no sins to confess: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.If we...
  10. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 Again,Zane Hodges write the following commentary on 1bJohn 3:9: "'God's seed' is his nature, given to each believer at salvation (John 1:13; 2 Peter1;4). the...
  11. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    SOZO said; "I never said otherwise. You are a stupid, stupid, person, and a liar." Do you deny that you said that those who were born of God cannot sin? Do you deny that the following words were adressed to those who had had their sins forgiven and believed that Jesus is the Christ?: "If...
  12. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    SOZO wrote: "The branches are Israel, they are not saved UNTIL they choose to abide in the vine." Here is what the Lord Jesus said to those to whom He was addressing: "Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit...
  13. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    SOZOS wrote; Again, John is affirming to those whom he is writing that THOSE who say they have no sin are lying and the truth is not in them. He is speaking about those whom he addresses in 1 John 2:26 "These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you." 1 John 2:26...
  14. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    ttruscott, you said: "Indeed I agree with this although when we were singing GOD's praise when we saw the creation of the physical universe, Job 38:7, I doubt if we could be called mankind yet. Mankind is what we are called after our fall into sinfulness when we are sown, ie planted, not...
  15. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    SOZO wrote; "Once again, you ignorant hack, you rip verses out of context to create your convoluted heresy. Jesus is using "figurative language" to His disciples alone, who are NOT yet saved, for no one is "born of God" until Jesus is glorified (John 7:39). Once again, we have to read ALL of...
  16. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    yourpoint? said: "It's unctuous for people to proclaim the love of God, yet believe that some babies die and go to eternal damnation because Adam sinned; however, that's where Schreiner's teaching of original sin leads." EXACTLY!
  17. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    SOZOS wrote: " 1 John 1:8 “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” If John were saying the same thing as those who say they have no sin that needs to be cleansed, then John would be deceived and have no truth in Him. Obviously, John is not saying that...
  18. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    SOZO said: "The verse, in no way, makes any distinction or claim that someone who is abiding in Christ can cease to abide. It is an invitation to abide. Seriously, that is all that Jesus is saying... Abide in me, and if you don't abide in me, you cannot bear fruit." If SOzo had a brain he...
  19. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    OZOS said: Can you share with me how the Bible makes a distinction between the two? Specifically, how does someone who has been crucified with Christ (no longer lives, but Christ lives in them), raised with Christ (a new creation in Christ), one spirit with Him, and seated in Him in heavenly...
  20. Jerry Shugart

    The Theory of Original Sin

    OZOS< you said: Let's back up, you blithering idiot. 1. You accused me of not loving others based on how I have spoken to you. 2. I then asked you if Jesus loved the Pharisees or if Paul loved Elymus. The Lord Jesus loves all people but sometimes it was necessary for him to chasten some...
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