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Never in a million years. Scripture says NO such thing.
WHO IS THE CHURCH OF GOD?
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beloved57
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That is the mystery
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
Well it is certainly a mystery that certain people cannot see that the Church is the New Israel. LOL
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
That is actually correct. You have so many thing right, its too bad you ae a calvinist.
I would venture a guess that the Eastern Orthodox Churches would say exactly the opposite, and claim they are the true original Church. Mind you, The Coptic Church is pretty ancient...
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
That is correct.
All the ancient Liturgical churches trace themselves back to the apostles. One thing is for darn sure, no protestant church was established by Jesus, and protestant teachings would be ghastly to Jesus.
Maybe. but I suspect that the behavior of the Catholic Church over many centuries wouldn't exactly meet with Jesus's approval either.
Trump Gurl
Credo in Unum Deum
I am quite sure the same could be said of Jews, so don't confuse the acts of individual sinners with the Church itself.
And also, don't believe everything you hear.
oatmeal
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I Corinthians 10:32. Give none offense neither to the Jews nor the gentiles nor to the Church of God
when when Jews are gentiles turn to God and do Romans 10:9 they are saved and become members in the Church of God members in particular in the body of Christ those who have been saved are neither Jews nor gentiles except in heritage
Yes they are neither Jews or Gentiles in the body of Christ, they are one new man.
Just to clarify Romans 10:9 is for Israel....they had to confess Jesus:
Matthew 10:32-33 KJV - 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
John 9:22 KJV - These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
John 12:42 KJV - Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess [him], lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
Nanja
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Exactly Brother !
The Church of God is the Body of Christ, whose Name is Israel Is. 49:3, which were Chosen in union with Him of the Father before the foundation of the World Eph. 1:4-5.
Eph. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Acts 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
CP to:
1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
Notice, His People, the Church; and not all people without exception;
But His People: And not all ethnic jews either, for all ethnic jews are not His People; some had the devil for their father John 8:42-44.
But the Children of Promise were counted for the Seed of Christ, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16.
Hence, the Church of God, the Body of Christ Eph. 1:4 is the Israel of God which is counted for His Seed .
Rom. 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. So it's the Spiritual Israel of God, composed of both jew and gentile, for whom Christ which was counted for the Seed [The Israel of God] whom Christ gave His Life for.
Eph. 5:25-27
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Paul is speaking of Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom and were part of the remnant of Israel.
Paul was talking about Israel in Romans 9 thru 11:
Romans 9:3-4 KJV - 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
Paul is talking about the remnant of Israel, which also included believing Gentiles:
Romans 9:24 KJV - Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9:27 KJV - Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Romans 10:9 are both the Jews and Gentiles in the remnant that call on the Lord.
beloved57
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Justifying your obvious error.
And in Rom 9:7 the Greek words SHALL /KALEO is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .
And the Greek word CALLED / KALEO is also in the FUTURE TENSE , and teh MOOD means it is a FACT .
So why the FUTURE TENSE ?
Only the seed of Isaac will your SEED be CALLED /KELO and will be seen in the MILLENNIUM KINGDOM as written in Matt 8:11 .
By the way the Greek word SEED / SPERMA is a noun , PERSONAL / POSSESSIVE / PRONOUN in the DATIVE CASE .
And that means it can be in the Subjective , Objective , or in the Possessive .
I believe it is in the POSSESSIVE .
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beloved57
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Huh ? You not making any sense, no relevancy.
And you do not know what the FUTURE TENSE , MEANS?
Just ask and I will tell you what it means !!
Was HUHHHHHHHHHHHH your answer ?
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beloved57
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Still no relevancy.
And the Greek FUTURE TENSE means it will happen in the FUTURE !
The PASSIVE VOICE means that is CHRIST thatbis causing nthe ACTION !
The INDICATIVE MOOD means is that verse is a FACT .
I guess , that this is what happens , when your FOCUS is out side of what the Greek text really means .
dan p
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Their gift is to preside over the celebration of the Church institutions known as the sacraments, and to preserve the deposit of faith, the totality of the divine teaching tradition, passed down from the Apostles, who received it from Christ.
I'm talking about the pastorate known as bishops. They aren't gifted in any other areas, they are just men in every other area, and absolutely, they have stumbled and fallen, over all these centuries, quite a few times. Hopefully like everything, these areas of weakness are made less and less relevant over time.